Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[K9Enzo]

I believe SG and her brother CG are going to be shattered into a million pieces by the loss of their mother in such a horrific way, and by unimaginable betrayal. IMO

 

[Catdetective]

She looks like she is hyperventilating.

Yes, she is breathing rapidly. However I would probably be the same, having an anxious personality type and not being used to speaking to a camera.

 

[dotr]

Verifying Device

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Derrick Callella was arrested and charged for sending phony ransom text messages to the Guthrie familyCredit: X/MattFinnFNC

''Callella, a Los Angeles man in his mid-forties, allegedly took advantage of the horrifying abduction and text Guthrie’s daughter Annie and son-in-law Tommaso Cioni demanding payment in exchange for the return of the 84-year-old.''
“Did you get the bitcoin were [sic] waiting on our end for the transaction,” the message sent to Annie and Tommaso read.
Officials say that three minutes after these texts were sent, he then made a nine-second call to an unidentified member of the Guthrie family.
According to the complaint, Callella made contact soon after Nancy’s children pleaded with her potential captors in an emotional video, requesting proof of life.
Callella was tracked down after the family showed the text messages to cops who located him in California.''

 

[SMK777]

Nancy Guthrie abduction: New timeline emerges in mysterious disappearance of Savannah Guthrie's mom

Nancy Guthrie abduction: New timeline emerges in mysterious disappearance of Savannah Guthrie's mom

Authorities on Thursday released a more detailed timeline surrounding the disappearance of 84-year-old Nancy Guthrie.

abcnews.go.com

 

[dotr]

Verifying Device

6 Feb. 2026
''Timeline:

• January 31, 5:32 pm: Nancy Guthrie jumps in an Uber and travels to a relative’s house for dinner.
• January 31, 9:48 pm: Family members drop off Nancy, 84, at her home in Tucson, Arizona, after having dinner with her.
• January 31, 9:50 pm: Nancy’s garage door closes.
• February 1, 1:47 am: Nancy’s doorbell camera disconnects.
• February 1, 2:12 am: Software detects person on camera (No video available, no subscription).
• February 1, 2:28 am: Nancy’s pacemaker app shows disconnect from her phone.
• February 1, 11:00 am: A parishioner at Nancy’s church calls the mom’s children and says she failed to show up for service.
• February 1, 11:56 am: The family goes to Nancy’s home to check on her.
• February 1, 12:03 pm: A 911 to the Pima County Sheriff’s Department is placed by the family.
• February 1, 12:15 pm: Pima County deputies arrive at Nancy’s residence.
• February 1, 8:55 pm: The Pima County Sheriff’s Office gives their first press conference, and reveals some clues found at Nancy’s home caused “grave concern.” They say helicopters, drones, and infrared cameras are all being utilized in the search.
• February 2, 9:17 am: Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos says search crews have been pulled back, as Nancy’s home is considered a crime scene.
• February 2, morning: Savannah releases a statement that’s read by her co-hosts on Today, and thanks supporters for their prayers.
• February 2, evening: Nanos tells the media they fear Nancy has been abducted.
• February 3: Nanos admits they have no suspects, no leads, and no videos that could lead to Nancy’s recovery. He and the FBI beg for more tips and accounts from residents.
• February 3: A trail of blood is pictured outside Nancy’s home, where there were reportedly signs of forced entry.''

 

[SRWCF]

What are those 41 minutes really telling us?

I’m sorry this is going to be a long post but I think there’s a problem with using the disconnects to determine how long the perp(s) may have been in the house. Gosh sometimes I wish we could just all get together and hash these things out in a real conversation but please keep reading and hear me out.

I’ve seen several people on here and in media reference this 41 minutes in the house - But I am not sure this conclusion is accurate. It’s the 41 minutes between 1:47 when the doorbell camera disconnects and 2:28 when the pacemaker disconnects. But that requires us to assume that the perp(s) entered the house when the doorbell camera disconnected and left the house with NG when the pacemaker disconnected. Neither of which are certain.

If the perp(s) entered the house from the front door then it could be reasonable to conclude the doorbell cam was disconnected as they came in the house. But we don’t know the point of entry. We’ve heard that the front door was locked but there were signs of a break in - but was the break in at the front door? I find it more likely that it was not and that the doorbell cam was removed by a perp who opened the front door from the inside and stood off camera in the doorway as he/she removed that camera and at some point it was disconnected. I’m not familiar with nest cams but with ring cams some are hardwired and some are battery operated. If the nest cam was hardwired then removing it would also disconnect it from the wifi but if battery operated another step would be required to disconnect it. Either way, I think it is a reasonable assumption that the person who removed it was already in the house when the doorbell cam was disconnected. Who knows for how long? In my mind the perp(s) could have entered NG’s home anytime after she left in that Uber to go to AG’s home at 5:32. That’s about 8 hours before the doorbell cam was disconnected. Could have also been 2 minutes before the doorbell cam was disconnected - could have been when it was disconnected - but could have been at any point in between. IMHO it is possible that someone was already in the home when NG returned from AG’s and the garage door was opened. But that might require there to have been at least a 2nd perp involved who brought a vehicle to the front of the house at some point to put NG since no vehicle was parked in the driveway when the family dropped her off.

And how do we know that NG left the house when the pacemaker disconnected from the Apple Watch? It’s blue tooth and the range is limited to 30-60 ft I think but can be further restricted by things like walls and refrigerators. My house is similar in size to NG’s and if I’m using a blue tooth headset in my office and step away from my phone to get some tea in the kitchen my device disconnects as soon as I get near the fridge. But going into another room and closing the door can also cause it to disconnect as can just being in a different part of the house. My point is that I don’t have to step outside the house for the blue tooth connection to be severed and neither did NG. So we really cannot know that she was taken out of the house when the pacemaker disconnected from the watch. That could be the case but is in no way certain. It’s also possible that the perp simply turned off the Bluetooth connection on the watch and it was disconnected with NG right next to it. And NG could have been in the house for minutes or hours after it was disconnected.

So I don’t think the disconnects can lead to a conclusion that the perp was in the house only 41 minutes or really narrows it down at all. In fact, I can think of one scenario where those disconnects might be saying the perp was not in the house for some or most of those 41 minutes at all. Remember that I said if the perp was in the house when NG returned from AG’s that it might mean a 2nd perp was involved and had to bring the car to the front of the house to put NG in it? What if instead a lone perp had parked down the road somewhere say a 20 or 30 minute walk away, waited inside the house for NG to return, at some point incapacitated her - restrained her or rendered her unconscious - and then removed the doorbell cam as he was coming out of the house via the front door to go get the car - leaving NG unable to move or call for help inside the house while he walked back to get the car and drive it back to the house - then returned and either moved NG far enough away from the watch to disconnect it or just shut off the blue tooth or did actually leave with her at that time causing it to disconnect? The perp could have been in the house for hours before or after that 41 minutes and actually have been out of the house retrieving a vehicle during most or all of that 41 minutes! Now this scenario would only be possible if that motion by the camera “near” the house at 2:12 was actually an animal and had nothing to do with the perp but someone pointed out earlier that the sheriff did acknowledge that was a possibility.

I do think those disconnects are important to the timeline - I just don’t think we know enough yet to know what they mean. I suspect that LE knows more than we do but am not sure they know yet just what those disconnects mean to the timeline either.

Yes! This is a most excellent post! Way to think outside the box! I also do not think the time stamps are important for the reasons that most people are focusing on them for. I bet you're right about disconnecting the door camera on the way out instead of on the way in. The perp would have no way of knowing if that camera's recordings backed up to the cloud or not, so coming at it on the way in would have been risky and best avoided. I'm with you that the perp was already in the home when NG returned from an evening at her daughter's home. Like you said, the 2:12 am motion detected was likely an animal, or maybe wind blowing a tumble weed by, etc. Also, it's clear there is no sign of forced entry at the front door. My husband and I had the exact same metal "screen" door on the front entrance of our former home as NG has. Got it at Home Depot. It is super heavy duty with a deep dead bolt lock - made for extra security (that why we installed ours in the first place). Assuming that screen door was, indeed, locked, one would literally need a crowbar to pry it open. There is no sign of such damage to this screen door that I've seen.

 

[Badgerette]

Someone posted way earlier in the thread that Nancy had had some electrical work done at her house and that the permit had final inspection the first week of January. I guess I’m surprised there hasn’t been more discussion of that, this seems right around the time punch list work would be completed, which can cause tension sometimes. That coupled with the white van would lead me to perhaps look at any disgruntled tradesmen that had been in her home recently.

 

[Speculaytor]

Take a look at Annie’s breathing in the video.

I am so glad someone else saw! Thought Behavior analyst would talk about, but has not.

 

[Curiousobserver]

What are those 41 minutes really telling us?

I’m sorry this is going to be a long post but I think there’s a problem with using the disconnects to determine how long the perp(s) may have been in the house. Gosh sometimes I wish we could just all get together and hash these things out in a real conversation but please keep reading and hear me out.

I’ve seen several people on here and in media reference this 41 minutes in the house - But I am not sure this conclusion is accurate. It’s the 41 minutes between 1:47 when the doorbell camera disconnects and 2:28 when the pacemaker disconnects. But that requires us to assume that the perp(s) entered the house when the doorbell camera disconnected and left the house with NG when the pacemaker disconnected. Neither of which are certain.

If the perp(s) entered the house from the front door then it could be reasonable to conclude the doorbell cam was disconnected as they came in the house. But we don’t know the point of entry. We’ve heard that the front door was locked but there were signs of a break in - but was the break in at the front door? I find it more likely that it was not and that the doorbell cam was removed by a perp who opened the front door from the inside and stood off camera in the doorway as he/she removed that camera and at some point it was disconnected. I’m not familiar with nest cams but with ring cams some are hardwired and some are battery operated. If the nest cam was hardwired then removing it would also disconnect it from the wifi but if battery operated another step would be required to disconnect it. Either way, I think it is a reasonable assumption that the person who removed it was already in the house when the doorbell cam was disconnected. Who knows for how long? In my mind the perp(s) could have entered NG’s home anytime after she left in that Uber to go to AG’s home at 5:32. That’s about 8 hours before the doorbell cam was disconnected. Could have also been 2 minutes before the doorbell cam was disconnected - could have been when it was disconnected - but could have been at any point in between. IMHO it is possible that someone was already in the home when NG returned from AG’s and the garage door was opened. But that might require there to have been at least a 2nd perp involved who brought a vehicle to the front of the house at some point to put NG since no vehicle was parked in the driveway when the family dropped her off.

And how do we know that NG left the house when the pacemaker disconnected from the Apple Watch? It’s blue tooth and the range is limited to 30-60 ft I think but can be further restricted by things like walls and refrigerators. My house is similar in size to NG’s and if I’m using a blue tooth headset in my office and step away from my phone to get some tea in the kitchen my device disconnects as soon as I get near the fridge. But going into another room and closing the door can also cause it to disconnect as can just being in a different part of the house. My point is that I don’t have to step outside the house for the blue tooth connection to be severed and neither did NG. So we really cannot know that she was taken out of the house when the pacemaker disconnected from the watch. That could be the case but is in no way certain. It’s also possible that the perp simply turned off the Bluetooth connection on the watch and it was disconnected with NG right next to it. And NG could have been in the house for minutes or hours after it was disconnected.

So I don’t think the disconnects can lead to a conclusion that the perp was in the house only 41 minutes or really narrows it down at all. In fact, I can think of one scenario where those disconnects might be saying the perp was not in the house for some or most of those 41 minutes at all. Remember that I said if the perp was in the house when NG returned from AG’s that it might mean a 2nd perp was involved and had to bring the car to the front of the house to put NG in it? What if instead a lone perp had parked down the road somewhere say a 20 or 30 minute walk away, waited inside the house for NG to return, at some point incapacitated her - restrained her or rendered her unconscious - and then removed the doorbell cam as he was coming out of the house via the front door to go get the car - leaving NG unable to move or call for help inside the house while he walked back to get the car and drive it back to the house - then returned and either moved NG far enough away from the watch to disconnect it or just shut off the blue tooth or did actually leave with her at that time causing it to disconnect? The perp could have been in the house for hours before or after that 41 minutes and actually have been out of the house retrieving a vehicle during most or all of that 41 minutes! Now this scenario would only be possible if that motion by the camera “near” the house at 2:12 was actually an animal and had nothing to do with the perp but someone pointed out earlier that the sheriff did acknowledge that was a possibility.

I do think those disconnects are important to the timeline - I just don’t think we know enough yet to know what they mean. I suspect that LE knows more than we do but am not sure they know yet just what those disconnects mean to the timeline either.

Excellent post and you are correct- those events don't absolutely beyond a shadow of doubt prove when the perp arrived.

However, I think most likely the perp walked up to the door, ripped of the camera and tried to get in that way. When they realized it was locked, they went around to the side where they were captured on the second camera. At some point after that they entered.

Its certainly not the only explanation for sure.

The problem with a second person arriving later is how do you signal them? A call from in the home would be known to police by now.

 

[Cassie P]

It’s an interesting human behavior that you see in our threads as well. The reality is that crimes don’t fit in to tidy patterns. The mind of a criminal is diseased, and deviates erratically from the norm.

Amateur opinion and speculation only

I was trained as a scientist and (mental health) clinician. I remember one professor constantly telling us to always stick to the data. "Stay close to your data and you will not go wrong."

Even PhD scientists can have a pet theory and discard/ignore data that refutes it. Then they end up having to discard parts of their theory or tossing the whole thing out. Wasting a lot of time and resources in the process.

Yes lay people have a hard time wrapping their heads around criminal psychopathy. Lay people of course think like normal people who follow the law. People who have worked in mental health, LE, courts are not surprised at deviant behavior, they work with it every day.

 

[merrymary]

What are those 41 minutes really telling us?

I’m sorry this is going to be a long post but I think there’s a problem with using the disconnects to determine how long the perp(s) may have been in the house. Gosh sometimes I wish we could just all get together and hash these things out in a real conversation but please keep reading and hear me out.

I’ve seen several people on here and in media reference this 41 minutes in the house - But I am not sure this conclusion is accurate. It’s the 41 minutes between 1:47 when the doorbell camera disconnects and 2:28 when the pacemaker disconnects. But that requires us to assume that the perp(s) entered the house when the doorbell camera disconnected and left the house with NG when the pacemaker disconnected. Neither of which are certain.

If the perp(s) entered the house from the front door then it could be reasonable to conclude the doorbell cam was disconnected as they came in the house. But we don’t know the point of entry. We’ve heard that the front door was locked but there were signs of a break in - but was the break in at the front door? I find it more likely that it was not and that the doorbell cam was removed by a perp who opened the front door from the inside and stood off camera in the doorway as he/she removed that camera and at some point it was disconnected. I’m not familiar with nest cams but with ring cams some are hardwired and some are battery operated. If the nest cam was hardwired then removing it would also disconnect it from the wifi but if battery operated another step would be required to disconnect it. Either way, I think it is a reasonable assumption that the person who removed it was already in the house when the doorbell cam was disconnected. Who knows for how long? In my mind the perp(s) could have entered NG’s home anytime after she left in that Uber to go to AG’s home at 5:32. That’s about 8 hours before the doorbell cam was disconnected. Could have also been 2 minutes before the doorbell cam was disconnected - could have been when it was disconnected - but could have been at any point in between. IMHO it is possible that someone was already in the home when NG returned from AG’s and the garage door was opened. But that might require there to have been at least a 2nd perp involved who brought a vehicle to the front of the house at some point to put NG since no vehicle was parked in the driveway when the family dropped her off.

And how do we know that NG left the house when the pacemaker disconnected from the Apple Watch? It’s blue tooth and the range is limited to 30-60 ft I think but can be further restricted by things like walls and refrigerators. My house is similar in size to NG’s and if I’m using a blue tooth headset in my office and step away from my phone to get some tea in the kitchen my device disconnects as soon as I get near the fridge. But going into another room and closing the door can also cause it to disconnect as can just being in a different part of the house. My point is that I don’t have to step outside the house for the blue tooth connection to be severed and neither did NG. So we really cannot know that she was taken out of the house when the pacemaker disconnected from the watch. That could be the case but is in no way certain. It’s also possible that the perp simply turned off the Bluetooth connection on the watch and it was disconnected with NG right next to it. And NG could have been in the house for minutes or hours after it was disconnected.

So I don’t think the disconnects can lead to a conclusion that the perp was in the house only 41 minutes or really narrows it down at all. In fact, I can think of one scenario where those disconnects might be saying the perp was not in the house for some or most of those 41 minutes at all. Remember that I said if the perp was in the house when NG returned from AG’s that it might mean a 2nd perp was involved and had to bring the car to the front of the house to put NG in it? What if instead a lone perp had parked down the road somewhere say a 20 or 30 minute walk away, waited inside the house for NG to return, at some point incapacitated her - restrained her or rendered her unconscious - and then removed the doorbell cam as he was coming out of the house via the front door to go get the car - leaving NG unable to move or call for help inside the house while he walked back to get the car and drive it back to the house - then returned and either moved NG far enough away from the watch to disconnect it or just shut off the blue tooth or did actually leave with her at that time causing it to disconnect? The perp could have been in the house for hours before or after that 41 minutes and actually have been out of the house retrieving a vehicle during most or all of that 41 minutes! Now this scenario would only be possible if that motion by the camera “near” the house at 2:12 was actually an animal and had nothing to do with the perp but someone pointed out earlier that the sheriff did acknowledge that was a possibility.

I do think those disconnects are important to the timeline - I just don’t think we know enough yet to know what they mean. I suspect that LE knows more than we do but am not sure they know yet just what those disconnects mean to the timeline either.

Garage open for 2 minutes(ish)...easy for someone to enter and hide in corner or behind/beside car. Most people (unfortunately) don't find it necessary to lock their interior door leading to garage. I think this needs to be entered into the realm of possibility too.

 

[SRWCF]

Someone posted way earlier in the thread that Nancy had had some electrical work done at her house and that the permit had final inspection the first week of January. I guess I’m surprised there hasn’t been more discussion of that, this seems right around the time punch list work would be completed, which can cause tension sometimes. That coupled with the white van would lead me to perhaps look at any disgruntled tradesmen that had been in her home recently.

Or he had seen something of value to steal?

 

[LivvyL]

I can’t buy into the ransom thing.
I believe the person that took her may be the person that wrote the note but only did so as a red herring. I believe the cops think the same thing.

 

[Deleted member 117884]

What are those 41 minutes really telling us?

I’m sorry this is going to be a long post but I think there’s a problem with using the disconnects to determine how long the perp(s) may have been in the house. Gosh sometimes I wish we could just all get together and hash these things out in a real conversation but please keep reading and hear me out.

I’ve seen several people on here and in media reference this 41 minutes in the house - But I am not sure this conclusion is accurate. It’s the 41 minutes between 1:47 when the doorbell camera disconnects and 2:28 when the pacemaker disconnects. But that requires us to assume that the perp(s) entered the house when the doorbell camera disconnected and left the house with NG when the pacemaker disconnected. Neither of which are certain.

If the perp(s) entered the house from the front door then it could be reasonable to conclude the doorbell cam was disconnected as they came in the house. But we don’t know the point of entry. We’ve heard that the front door was locked but there were signs of a break in - but was the break in at the front door? I find it more likely that it was not and that the doorbell cam was removed by a perp who opened the front door from the inside and stood off camera in the doorway as he/she removed that camera and at some point it was disconnected. I’m not familiar with nest cams but with ring cams some are hardwired and some are battery operated. If the nest cam was hardwired then removing it would also disconnect it from the wifi but if battery operated another step would be required to disconnect it. Either way, I think it is a reasonable assumption that the person who removed it was already in the house when the doorbell cam was disconnected. Who knows for how long? In my mind the perp(s) could have entered NG’s home anytime after she left in that Uber to go to AG’s home at 5:32. That’s about 8 hours before the doorbell cam was disconnected. Could have also been 2 minutes before the doorbell cam was disconnected - could have been when it was disconnected - but could have been at any point in between. IMHO it is possible that someone was already in the home when NG returned from AG’s and the garage door was opened. But that might require there to have been at least a 2nd perp involved who brought a vehicle to the front of the house at some point to put NG since no vehicle was parked in the driveway when the family dropped her off.

And how do we know that NG left the house when the pacemaker disconnected from the Apple Watch? It’s blue tooth and the range is limited to 30-60 ft I think but can be further restricted by things like walls and refrigerators. My house is similar in size to NG’s and if I’m using a blue tooth headset in my office and step away from my phone to get some tea in the kitchen my device disconnects as soon as I get near the fridge. But going into another room and closing the door can also cause it to disconnect as can just being in a different part of the house. My point is that I don’t have to step outside the house for the blue tooth connection to be severed and neither did NG. So we really cannot know that she was taken out of the house when the pacemaker disconnected from the watch. That could be the case but is in no way certain. It’s also possible that the perp simply turned off the Bluetooth connection on the watch and it was disconnected with NG right next to it. And NG could have been in the house for minutes or hours after it was disconnected.

So I don’t think the disconnects can lead to a conclusion that the perp was in the house only 41 minutes or really narrows it down at all. In fact, I can think of one scenario where those disconnects might be saying the perp was not in the house for some or most of those 41 minutes at all. Remember that I said if the perp was in the house when NG returned from AG’s that it might mean a 2nd perp was involved and had to bring the car to the front of the house to put NG in it? What if instead a lone perp had parked down the road somewhere say a 20 or 30 minute walk away, waited inside the house for NG to return, at some point incapacitated her - restrained her or rendered her unconscious - and then removed the doorbell cam as he was coming out of the house via the front door to go get the car - leaving NG unable to move or call for help inside the house while he walked back to get the car and drive it back to the house - then returned and either moved NG far enough away from the watch to disconnect it or just shut off the blue tooth or did actually leave with her at that time causing it to disconnect? The perp could have been in the house for hours before or after that 41 minutes and actually have been out of the house retrieving a vehicle during most or all of that 41 minutes! Now this scenario would only be possible if that motion by the camera “near” the house at 2:12 was actually an animal and had nothing to do with the perp but someone pointed out earlier that the sheriff did acknowledge that was a possibility.

I do think those disconnects are important to the timeline - I just don’t think we know enough yet to know what they mean. I suspect that LE knows more than we do but am not sure they know yet just what those disconnects mean to the timeline either.

When I read this, I'm reminded of the case in Washington DC where a perp was in a house for hours and hours with a wealthy family in an attempt to get large sums of cash. He was there so long, he ordered pizza (and then left DNA on a piece of crust).

It is worth considering the perp was in NG's house a long time. I happen to think the perp(s) entered when the cameras were dismantled.....but it's possible they coerced info from NG about cameras and that's how they knew where the cameras were and didn't dismantle them until they were getting ready to leave.

I think all possibilities are worth considering at this point. I remain baffled.

jmopinion

 

[Tealgrove]

Is Nancy’s cane missing?

 

[missy1974]

good morning everyone!

The watch ... I wear mine to bed, my husband does not. Our chargers are also in different spots in the house and not anywhere that someone would be able to just "guess". I charge mine during the day, hubby charges his at night.

IF the watch was on the charger, the note may have known a specific location of that charger.

I have been watching Paul Mauro on Fox, and he seems to think that they used some sort of Ransomware to send the email and that is why it can't be traced. (I wish they would post his clips with the information/opinions he keeps giving).

 

[Fromeaster]

It's so scary at night there, the streets are unlit, the houses are big and far apart. There's not much traffic. It'll be very difficult to find a body in the desert. I would be scared to live alone in such a big house and in such a place.

 

[BrownLabMom]

First time posting on WS. I've been keeping up with this thread for a few days and haven't seen it mentioned but, has the 911 call from the family going to check on Nancy been released? Aren't 911 calls usually public record?

 

[raja]

What are those 41 minutes really telling us?

I’m sorry this is going to be a long post but I think there’s a problem with using the disconnects to determine how long the perp(s) may have been in the house. Gosh sometimes I wish we could just all get together and hash these things out in a real conversation but please keep reading and hear me out.

I’ve seen several people on here and in media reference this 41 minutes in the house - But I am not sure this conclusion is accurate. It’s the 41 minutes between 1:47 when the doorbell camera disconnects and 2:28 when the pacemaker disconnects. But that requires us to assume that the perp(s) entered the house when the doorbell camera disconnected and left the house with NG when the pacemaker disconnected. Neither of which are certain.

If the perp(s) entered the house from the front door then it could be reasonable to conclude the doorbell cam was disconnected as they came in the house. But we don’t know the point of entry. We’ve heard that the front door was locked but there were signs of a break in - but was the break in at the front door? I find it more likely that it was not and that the doorbell cam was removed by a perp who opened the front door from the inside and stood off camera in the doorway as he/she removed that camera and at some point it was disconnected. I’m not familiar with nest cams but with ring cams some are hardwired and some are battery operated. If the nest cam was hardwired then removing it would also disconnect it from the wifi but if battery operated another step would be required to disconnect it. Either way, I think it is a reasonable assumption that the person who removed it was already in the house when the doorbell cam was disconnected. Who knows for how long? In my mind the perp(s) could have entered NG’s home anytime after she left in that Uber to go to AG’s home at 5:32. That’s about 8 hours before the doorbell cam was disconnected. Could have also been 2 minutes before the doorbell cam was disconnected - could have been when it was disconnected - but could have been at any point in between. IMHO it is possible that someone was already in the home when NG returned from AG’s and the garage door was opened. But that might require there to have been at least a 2nd perp involved who brought a vehicle to the front of the house at some point to put NG since no vehicle was parked in the driveway when the family dropped her off.

And how do we know that NG left the house when the pacemaker disconnected from the Apple Watch? It’s blue tooth and the range is limited to 30-60 ft I think but can be further restricted by things like walls and refrigerators. My house is similar in size to NG’s and if I’m using a blue tooth headset in my office and step away from my phone to get some tea in the kitchen my device disconnects as soon as I get near the fridge. But going into another room and closing the door can also cause it to disconnect as can just being in a different part of the house. My point is that I don’t have to step outside the house for the blue tooth connection to be severed and neither did NG. So we really cannot know that she was taken out of the house when the pacemaker disconnected from the watch. That could be the case but is in no way certain. It’s also possible that the perp simply turned off the Bluetooth connection on the watch and it was disconnected with NG right next to it. And NG could have been in the house for minutes or hours after it was disconnected.

So I don’t think the disconnects can lead to a conclusion that the perp was in the house only 41 minutes or really narrows it down at all. In fact, I can think of one scenario where those disconnects might be saying the perp was not in the house for some or most of those 41 minutes at all. Remember that I said if the perp was in the house when NG returned from AG’s that it might mean a 2nd perp was involved and had to bring the car to the front of the house to put NG in it? What if instead a lone perp had parked down the road somewhere say a 20 or 30 minute walk away, waited inside the house for NG to return, at some point incapacitated her - restrained her or rendered her unconscious - and then removed the doorbell cam as he was coming out of the house via the front door to go get the car - leaving NG unable to move or call for help inside the house while he walked back to get the car and drive it back to the house - then returned and either moved NG far enough away from the watch to disconnect it or just shut off the blue tooth or did actually leave with her at that time causing it to disconnect? The perp could have been in the house for hours before or after that 41 minutes and actually have been out of the house retrieving a vehicle during most or all of that 41 minutes! Now this scenario would only be possible if that motion by the camera “near” the house at 2:12 was actually an animal and had nothing to do with the perp but someone pointed out earlier that the sheriff did acknowledge that was a possibility.

I do think those disconnects are important to the timeline - I just don’t think we know enough yet to know what they mean. I suspect that LE knows more than we do but am not sure they know yet just what those disconnects mean to the timeline either.

I think you are correct in that the assumption that the perp entered after he removed the front door camera could be wrong. He could have already been in the house. I also think it would have been more logical that the camera was removed while the perp was sort of exiting the front door. The garage door was opened for 2 minutes when NG was dropped off. Someone could have slipped into the garage then. Also if the exterior light was motion activated could it have been broken to hide the fact a car was brought in to take NG away. Just a thought

 

[Cassie P]

I don’t think it is weird that AG might not have accompanied. I wouldn’t go with my partner if he was dropping off one of my parents. He’s been around for decades, they would reach out to him as much or more than me. He checks on them more than I do. He might actually talk to them and see them more than I do.

I think most women would trust their husband to drive her mother a short distance away after dinner. Women might need to stay home if there are young children to care for. Or perhaps the woman wants to clean up after the dinner party, etc.