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This case is so crazy sad. I really hate the world we live in now. People are so evil and hateful- hard to have much hope for the future. I feel so bad for the family.
 
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I have thought about this too. I have a dear friend whos father (a bit younger than NG) is regularly getting scammed into sending bitcoin to random people. At one point he was convinced he was communicating to/sending bitcoin to Shania Twain. I’m not saying that’s what I really think happened here, but I have thought about it because it does happen and it’s horrible!
Oh geeze! It really is horrible. I'm so incredibly thankful that my 71 y/o mom can see through all of that. We laugh when artists like "Pitbull" and "Ed Sheeran" follow her on Instagram.
 
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I have to say that I am unfortunately feeling like the family is asking for her body to be returned because of the line „this is the only way we‘ll have peace“.
Or because paying ( and knowing they did everything they asked for) is the only way they will feel peace?
Hard to even say that given the situation. More like no regrets?
 
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I agree with so many of you that NG has passed. Imo, she didn't live much after being taken or she passed at her home.
I think it was someone that knew her or been to her home before. I guess i don't think this was random. Why? I can't figure out. Ransom note and kidnapping an 84 year old is so odd that its hard for me to to believe. Its like someone watched to many movies to even think they would have gotten away with getting money and then trade for an alive NG. Not all criminals are smart but this is out there.
Im so sorry to her family.
 
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The 'with her' was odd to our ears, but the whole vid, minus their faces and demeanor together , 'as one' on the couch, did seem pointed words were very carefully used. You know the FBI has coached each word as they do in these situations. It is keeping communication open, aligning themselves with the abductor with 'understanding'. Bowing while in such pain, to them. This is for a reason as well of course to please have their mother sent back that they 'will pay for'. Brutal. Don't know if this will 'fool' the monster to do as asked, paid of course. They let a woman die, a human being who belonged to a loving family. IMO
Yes, every word and movement calculated. The avoidance of eye contact this time around as evidenced by all 3 purposefully looking downward was very telling. Yes, their emotion was real but the downward eyes of all 3 multiple times was almost mechanical as if to be very apparent on purpose.
 
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Anyone know why the family seemingly post these instagram videos around dinner time? Think there's any significance in that?

JMO
 
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What is there for Bad Bunny to care or not care about? The Super Bowl is being held in California and has nothing to do with a kidnapping in Arizona. very strange comment.
They mean, the Super Bow is a national sport event. National, regardless where it is held, which is California. I assume the original commenter meant to 'spring' the big 'reveal' during that.. attention. The one that said BB won't care is personal feelings on the performer IMO. None of this will be happening, just a possible explanation. Wishing comfort to the family through their strong faith.
 
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Actually 100% agree - I think it’s possible, even likely, the family paid the first ransom prior to the Thursday deadline.
Wow, I didn’t get that impression at all, but I’ll consider it.
 
  • #10,349
Yes, every word and movement calculated. The avoidance of eye contact this time around as evidenced by all 3 purposefully looking downward was very telling. Yes, their emotion was real but the downward eyes of all 3 multiple times was almost mechanical as if to be very apparent on purpose.
It appeared to me that SG was reading a script.
 
  • #10,350
i don't think family cares about encouraging bad behavior. I think they have already. paid the money...probably a lower amount for the body.
I don't agree. It's worth more at this point because they want her and have said they'll pay. Guess what? Price just went up. People are scum.
 
  • #10,351
There have been more than 20 pages posted since I was here last, so there's no way that I can catch up before asking about responses to the earlier "Breaking News" about the family's new video. My reaction, as well as DH's, was that the ransom request is beginning to sound like extortion!
 
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I put the transcript of the latest SG video in to ChatGPT to get an analysis of it from the viewpoint of an investigator and here is what it said, very interesting:

"Every line feels carefully chosen.
W. O. W. This is awesome. I was mystified by the verbiage in the latest video. THANK YOU for doing this. It makes perfect sense to me why those words were chosen.
 
  • #10,353
Not everything is political, this thread since day 1 has been toxic in its handling of politics. Perhaps something to learn in future to deal with differently?
He inserted himself. IMO
 
  • #10,354
It's possible she died while captive, perhaps accidentally or from injuries sustained, and the kidnapper communicated that but is still trying to get money out of the situation.

But IMO the "kidnapping" is a farce for murder.
 
  • #10,355
Hey, longtime lurker, don’t really post, but something’s been bugging me:

It seems like there is a lot of predictions that the perpetrator is someone close to NG, perhaps even close family. If this is the case, SIL or otherwise, why would they set up a weeklong kidnapping event, knowing NG can’t survive without her medication and the ability to track her pacemaker? If we are assuming that the perpetrator is close to NG, why would they have expected her to be able to sustain herself without her important medical items until a Monday deadline? Why would they have not brought her medication as she is, and I do hate to say this, probably worth more alive than deceased to them? It just seems to me that if the horrible person who did this knows NG as well as we suspect, they must have known that what we are all hoping didn’t happen was a possibility. All respect to the family, but I do wonder if the “Thursday was the deadline for life” theory was correct, or if she was never intended to be returned alive. It’s devastating, prayers to the Guthrie’s. I can’t imagine.
 
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Maybe the roof camera that was recovered showed she was not alive when she was abducted? It didn't sound like second note confirmed she was dead--unless there was specific info in that communication hat only the family could interpret this way. Very sad. I really can't imagine the family's pain.

Savannah's opening words "we received your message... and we understand." Everything she said following relates to this.

I can't see how definitive proof of death could be seen on cam footage, in this case anyhow...a body would have to be pretty messed up to confirm being deceased.
 
  • #10,358
Bad bunny is a Puerto Rican Multi winning Grammy Star who has MAGA in uproar for preforming fo the Superbowl. So they created an alternative. IMO
Of course the SUPERBOWL an the performers do not need to be dragged into such an awful and sad thread that exists due to this tragedy. IMO Not directed at you 'Stunned' at all. Perfect explanation so now people know what's what on that score/IMO
 
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If I were the kidnapper, I definitely wouldn't return the body, I would just take the money and that's it, because if I were caught it would be harder to convict me for murder.
 
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FBI says that today's Guthrie video was in response to yesterday's message. Just wanted to share since I know some of us were curious whether a new/additional message was received today.

Snips from source: "Savannah Guthrie told the potential kidnappers of her mother Nancy Guthrie on Saturday that the family is prepared to pay for her safe return." [...] "Guthrie was referencing a message that was sent to the Tucson-based television station KOLD on Friday afternoon, according to Kevin Smith, a spokesperson for the FBI office in Phoenix."

Source: 'We will pay,' Savannah Guthrie says in desperate video plea to potential kidnappers of her mother
 
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