Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Charlot123]

The sherrif's decision to go to a basketball game is really disrespectful.
I get that the man also has a personal life but this is just not done imo

Another version of events: FBI comes, says “we’ll take over for tonight, thank you”. Rather than going home, he went to basketball game to save his face.

We truly don’t know what’s going on there.

 

[shonyakay]

In the first note, the one(s) who took Nancy, gave two deadlines to meet their demand of 6 million in bitcoin - one on Thursday at 5:00 p.m. and another with something worse happening if the demand was not met by, Monday at 5:00 p.m. They also stated that there would be no further contact at this time.

"Poof of life" was requested by the family. The first deadline passed without the perp(s) sending POL. This delay makes sense since they originally stated that they would not be in further contact.

The First deadline slipped by without payment. I believe this may have been a strategic move so the perp(s) would communicate further, with LE hoping that they would mess up, allowing LE to track them down.

Right after the first deadline, the brother made a second plea.
Hence the second note. There was no ransom demand in this note. I believe it is because this second note's sole purpose was to show some form of POL. Possibly something that only those close to Nancy would know.

Sidenote: Just some observations with the assumption that these notes are legit and are from the one(s) who took Nancy.

 

[TheDinks]

As Brian says... it's strange for 3 deputies to be at TC & AG's house, 7 days along, late at night for approx 3 hours taking photos in various locations throughout the house and garage.

...this has to be leading in a certain direction, surely ??

Oh and Brian - get some SLEEP

 

[katydid23]

Is there any reason they would be doing this unless AG's home is considered part of the crime scene?

That's a good question.

If they are looking at the bitcoin ransom people, then searching NG's home makes perfect sense. Towing her car makes sense because maybe one of the perps was inside of it or touched the exterior?

If they are looking for the bitcoin ransom people, I'm not sure why they would be taking photos inside of AG's house or towing their car? Unless LE thought there was a connection there?

 

[Poet]

I agree it appears she’s no longer with us but what gets me is why do they say “celebrate WITH her” to me that indicates someone who is still alive. Again, I think they’re responding in some way to something the captor wrote in a message. But the word ‘with’ to me is really not indicating she’s deceased as of this moment. We can try and spin it in any way, but usually you’re not celebrating WITH a dead person, you’re celebrating the dead person.

This is exactly what I thought too. The word “with” feels meaningful to me as well. She could have simply said: please tell us where to find her body so we can bury her. We will pay. The use of the word “celebrate” feels unnecessary unless she is referring to something the captor wrote.

 

[Strangeworld]

JMO - I Also wondered what it meant so i asked but it got dismissed as her just being exhausted and emotional from the whole thing, which ofcourse could simply be the case.
My gut from the start said SIL and maybe AG know more but i could (and hope) be wrong.
I obviously don't know AG so it's really hard to say if this is just her way of expressing herself or if there's more behind it.
I just hope Nancy is returned soon

That's why I didn't post any research links. We are just going off a moment in time and don't know AG to gauge normal expression vs something else. Plus exhaustion, tiredness, stress, nerves... these can all impact facial expressions.

I think many people have noticed it, but I guess we will wait to see how things move forward. I am hoping she isn't involved

 

[InVinoVeritas]

Rationally and logically it makes no sense at all that someone would harm their 84 yr old relative.

But when it does happen, we usually find there were longstanding grievances and resentments. And then one divisive event happens that agitates everyone until someone is triggered beyond the point of no return.

Here is a HYPOTHETICAL scenario....does not have to refer to any specific family member in this case----but it is the kind of scenario we sometimes see in family murders...

The elderly matriarch or patriarch has some leverage because they have some money and some goods. And one of their children or grandchildren or nephews, etc, begins to feel disrespected over time.

They stay close and stay in touch because they know at some point they will inherit something valuable----or maybe they just want validation and acceptance.....but they feel rejected much of the time...Or they feel a sibling or a cousin or someone else always gets the validation and the rewards.


Maybe at some point they began asking for what they want or need? Maybe their business is going under or they are behind on their mortgage or whatever --but it is very stressful.

The matriarch has the ability to help them but maybe they deny the request? Maybe the perpetrator begins to feel disrespected and taken advantage of because they feel they have done a lot but don't get enough in return?

One day they feel emboldened and ask outright, Will you help us pay our past mortgage debts today? We are desperate......l

It can go sideways really fast. Panic sets in and then a cover up is needed. The crime scene is staged. Decisions are made in the chaos.

The decisions make no sense. ...but it is what it is...

It's absolutely a scenario, but what a huge weight for everyone left behind. I find it difficult to process the levels of quick "panic planning" that would have to be involved, with a potential child as a witness too.

Of course, if the ransom notes are a cover up, NG isn't coming home alive either way as she'd know too much.

It's just very very sad.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Rationally and logically it makes no sense at all that someone would harm their 84 yr old relative.

But when it does happen, we usually find there were longstanding grievances and resentments. And then one divisive event happens that agitates everyone until someone is triggered beyond the point of no return.

Here is a HYPOTHETICAL scenario....does not have to refer to any specific family member in this case----but it is the kind of scenario we sometimes see in family murders...

The elderly matriarch or patriarch has some leverage because they have some money and some goods. And one of their children or grandchildren or nephews, etc, begins to feel disrespected over time.

They stay close and stay in touch because they know at some point they will inherit something valuable----or maybe they just want validation and acceptance.....but they feel rejected much of the time...Or they feel a sibling or a cousin or someone else always gets the validation and the rewards.


Maybe at some point they began asking for what they want or need? Maybe their business is going under or they are behind on their mortgage or whatever --but it is very stressful.

The matriarch has the ability to help them but maybe they deny the request? Maybe the perpetrator begins to feel disrespected and taken advantage of because they feel they have done a lot but don't get enough in return?

One day they feel emboldened and ask outright, Will you help us pay our past mortgage debts today? We are desperate......l

It can go sideways really fast. Panic sets in and then a cover up is needed. The crime scene is staged. Decisions are made in the chaos.

The decisions make no sense. ...but it is what it is...

If the SIL is actually involved I think what you’ve presented here is more than likely the correct scenario.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

The sherrif's decision to go to a basketball game is really disrespectful.
I get that the man also has a personal life but this is just not done imo

I completely disagree. It's 2 hours out of his day. And maybe he had a family member playing or some ties to the game, who knows. He's entitled to his own time. Come on. It shouldn't be news. I don't see it as disrespectful.

 

[TheDinks]

In the first note, the one(s) who took Nancy, gave two deadlines to meet their demand of 6 million in bitcoin - one on Thursday at 5:00 p.m. and another with something worse happening if the demand was not met by, Monday at 5:00 p.m. They also stated that there would be no further contact at this time.

"Poof of life" was requested by the family. The first deadline passed without the perp(s) sending POL. This delay makes sense since they originally stated that they would not be in further contact.

The First deadline slipped by without payment. I believe this may have been a strategic move so the perp(s) would communicate further, with LE hoping that they would mess up, allowing LE to track them down.

Right after the first deadline, the brother made a second plea.
Hence the second note. There was no ransom demand in this note. I believe it is because this second note's sole purpose was to show some form of POL. Possibly something that only those close to Nancy would know.

Sidenote: Just some observations with the assumption that these notes are legit and are from the one(s) who took Nancy.

Have you not seen the latest plea from Savannah, sitting between her brother and sister, posted to her Insta ??

 

[osu]

Any thoughts on why the SIL bands Facebook page might’ve been removed?

TC and two other musicians have had a heavy metal band called ‘Early Black’ for quite a few years and they posted photos and updates frequently on Facebook. I read through most of it on Tuesday night and by Wednesday the page was gone.

JMO

 

[Strangeworld]

Any thoughts on why the SIL bands Facebook page might’ve been removed?

TC and two other musicians have had a heavy metal band called ‘Early Black’ for quite a few years and they posted photos and updates frequently on Facebook. I read through most of it on Tuesday night and by Wednesday the page was gone.

JMO

Probably all the discussion online about him and his band member. Makes sense they'd pull it down

 

[LaLaw2000]

This part, right here. Not "she" but "this". That reads like a response to something specific. As does "celebrate with her". A specific response to something.

I am so hopelessly behind. That word really bothers me too. It's almost as if there might have been another communication we do not know about.

This next part is not directed at you personally.
I'm sorry to bring this up, but if Nancy is deceased, the body is going to deteriorate fairly quickly. The kidnappers are not going to bring Nancy back to Tucson and risk getting caught with a deceased body on the way back. They would have to dump her or place her somewhere and let it be known where. Not realistic.
The word 'understand' jumped out at me. what does that mean? I don't accept what the 'experts' are saying it means.
It almost sounds to me as if there was another communication or at least something more in the message they received.
It almost sounds as if the kidnapper is naive if he/she/they really believe several million dollars could be gotten together that quickly. This is no movie. I'll go with it being a young person (people) with no real world experience. No criminal background prior to this. They do not have Nancy. The ransom demand is a diversion in my opinion.
I'll go with the older man with a white beard that was interviewed by a random media person. He was too happy to help. Too excited. It wouldn't be the first time the perpetrator offered to help. He was asked if he lived in the neighborhood and he said no, but not too far. He could have been fixated on Nancy and she rebuffed him. He could be holding her in his house right now. One ex FBI person stated that she could still be in the area being held.
I'm way behind with no hope of catching up, so if this scenario (right word?) has been mentioned, I'm sorry.

 

[katydid23]

But wait - IF and I mean a big IF... AG and hubby are involved or even one of them, there's no way they could hide or explain that ransom money even if they got it! What in the world would or could they do with it? They definitely couldn't spend it!

To invest overseas or find a broker to 'bury the money' would be tough.

So if they are involved it would be an after thought to spin a kidnapping/ransom plot to divert suspicion.

I'm not sure it's them, but maybe someone close to them? Argh I go all over the place here!

True, but perhaps the money they are initially going for is from the family trust, paid out in the case of NG's death.

At some point, when they determine she has passed, her relatives will share the proceeds from her estate and any life insurance etc.


It would hold them over for quite awhile, things would settle down...and then if they slowly spent a bit of cash here and there, would anyone notice?

 

[Laura Avery]

It was reported the front door was unlocked.

Im sorry then, the last I read last night it was locked. Thanks for clearing that up!
Although Ive found this just now, where did you find the information please?
There is no information available regarding whether Nancy Guthrie's front door was locked. The investigation into her disappearance has revealed that blood was found on the front steps, but no specific details about the door's status are provided in the available reports.

 

[clearskies1]

In the first note, the one(s) who took Nancy, gave two deadlines to meet their demand of 6 million in bitcoin - one on Thursday at 5:00 p.m. and another with something worse happening if the demand was not met by, Monday at 5:00 p.m. They also stated that there would be no further contact at this time.

"Poof of life" was requested by the family. The first deadline passed without the perp(s) sending POL. This delay makes sense since they originally stated that they would not be in further contact.

The First deadline slipped by without payment. I believe this may have been a strategic move so the perp(s) would communicate further, with LE hoping that they would mess up, allowing LE to track them down.

Right after the first deadline, the brother made a second plea.
Hence the second note. There was no ransom demand in this note. I believe it is because this second note's sole purpose was to show some form of POL. Possibly something that only those close to Nancy would know.

Sidenote: Just some observations with the assumption that these notes are legit and are from the one(s) who took Nancy.

Re POL -- if the "kidnappers" are associated with the family, the kidnappers themselves might be privy to information "that only those close to Nancy would know".

 

[katydid23]

Probably all the discussion online about him and his band member. Makes sense they'd pull it down

I bet he has an attorney already. Guilty or Innocent, he needs one right now.

First thing the defense atty would say is SHUT DOWN your social media---all of it.

 

[Sessiebo]

I completely disagree. It's 2 hours out of his day. And maybe he had a family member playing or some ties to the game, who knows. He's entitled to his own time. Come on. It shouldn't be news. I don't see it as disrespectful.

I get what you're saying and ofc he is entitled to his own life i just think it wasn't smart of him to do knowing he is such a public figure in all of this. Especially since at the same time a lot of other things in the investigation seem to be going on.
It's just my own opinion

 

[whinewiththegravy]

When it happens, it’s almost always criminal elements kidnapping other criminals.

I have never seen a true kidnapping for ransom in my life, and I still don’t believe I have.

I think this is an evil hoax.

That tracks, given that most will never be "seen" publicly because they are never reported.

Just to check, though, any reason you're not counting Matthew Muller's many convictions for abduction and extortion? They involve SA, but that surely shouldn't disqualify them considering SA is one of your personal theories in this case.

In my lifetime the prominent cases, limited to what I expect is the implied narrow qualifying geography, that come to mind are Iglesias Puga, Heineken, Slater, and Fiszman.

 

[shonyakay]

Have you not seen the latest plea from Savannah, sitting between her brother and sister, posted to her Insta ??

Yes, but I was just describing the notes received since we just learned last night of the actual ransom demand amount and the actual deadline times.

Who do you think they are appealing to in the latest appeal - Annie's husband?