AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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I apologize, but I have searched and read the posts and re-read the posts and the watch/phone/pacemaker connection is something I don't understand. I am not at all familiar with pacemakers and any app/monitoring it would connect to.

Can someone explain how the pacemaker/watch/phone thing works & what it detects & doesn't detect & what it means when it "disconnects"? I mean explain it like I'm 5. Please.
Pacemakers act by sending electrical impulses to the heart to get it to beat the correct amount and is usually used for patients with too slow heart rates. The pacemaker does not need an app or external device to operate but can be used for monitoring reasons (usually so cardiologist can review abnormalities, such as missed beats or too slow or too fast rates) and to see if any adjustments need to be made. The pacemaker works without an app/external device. If someone gets too far from the device, it won’t transmit data anymore (think of a walkie talkie) but is still working to correct abnormalities. If a persons heart stops or they are in an immediately deadly arrhythmia, the pacemaker is not capable of doing anything to improve survivability.
 
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that 'man' was an investigator, not any person they were looking for.
Ooooh thanks! Haven’t been able to keep up gor a bit and saw a random pic so thought they were looking gor that person in pic…. Thanks for rhe info!
 
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Oh, please no. Don't be more missing women. PLEASE GOD! NOOOOO!!
It’s superbowl Sunday. They could very well be at a friends house or at church or at any number of places.
 
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I’ve been looking at the drone footage looking for the location of the septic tank on google maps, I think I’ve found it here circled in red, it’s behind the neighbours house.
 

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I'm sure this has been stated before but was the ransom related to the perp but not a real ransom but instead done in order to buy time to cover evidence?
We don't know about the validity of the ransom and how it is (or isn't) related to the crime at this point. We can assume by SG and family's video yesterday they think there's a chance it's real, but it's all speculation at this point for us outside looking in. JMO.
 
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The tiny detail in the Nancy Guthrie ransom note that makes FBI experts think the writers aren't even in US​


“Why would you use that if you’re a domestic person? That points to somebody who might be potentially outside the country, which also lends the potential for this being a scam,” former FBI agent Michael Harrigan told The Post.


“If you’re domestic, why would you ever put ‘USD?’ You put six million,” he added.


Guthrie’s supposed kidnappers demanded a bitcoin ransom to be paid in “USD” by two deadlines – one at 5 p.m. MT Thursday, with the amount increasing for a Monday deadline after the first was missed.


The note sender has made no contact with law enforcement or the Guthrie family since the note was first sent to news outlets last week, and investigators have not determined whether the notes are real or not.

 
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Our vacation/lake house had a septic tank...that's too big an opening for septic. And the tanks are usually close to the house with the field drains going outward, downhill and away.
Maybe septic design varies depending on geomorphology and climate. The photos do not look like the systems in the Northeast that I am familiar with. Ours has a single square opening, less than a foot wide and the hump for the leaching field you describe. What they're probing in NG's yard has a manhole cover. Actually I see 2 manhole openings. While it doesn't look like septic systems here, I'm in a cold climate with granite ledge. It's probably different in a desert location with caliche.
 
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I'm totally lost. Just logging on.

Watched last night: They towed NG's car
They went do AG's house. Did they tow any cars there?

That's all I know between that and several hundred posts from today.

I don't have time to read all the comments, but it looks like discussion of little details like types of septic tanks etc.

I don't see much referring to specific action in the case that have happened today.
to be honest lots of repetition today as there is really NO NEW NEWS TODAY.
 
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If I were explaining it to a child….maybe a little older than 5 :)

Pacemaker is a little device in the patient’s chest that helps the heart beat steady - it may also have a defibrillator to send a gentle shock if the heart races too fast or dips too low - to get it back in normal rhythm. The doctors need to monitor it from time to time - sometimes monthly and sometimes more often. They can do this when the patient visits their office but like to see it between visits too. An app on an iPhone allows them to do that without the patient needing to hook up to anything or call in like they used to. Typically it will send those reports to the pacemaker provider who will send the reports to the cardiologist who will contact the patient if there is an issue. But there are some things the patient can use it for such as checking their pacemaker battery. The pacemaker connects to the iPhone via Bluetooth so it can become disconnected in the same way any Bluetooth device does - getting too far from it - the phone losing connection to cell tower or wifi - or the phone being turned off or the battery dying.

Hope that helps
THANK YOU! I'm a whole adult I swear but this was for some reason really tripping me up.

So I am assuming we don't know if she got too far, lost wifi, turned phone off & the location of said items.

I think I got it now. THANK YOUUU!
 
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Does anyone remember early on when the ransom note was reported on, that it was mentioned somewhere about the Thursday/Monday deadlines. But then in the last 24 hours people were responding like it was new information. I could have sworn I'd already heard that somewhere earlier. From what I recall, it was ransom to be sent by Thursday and to be received in their account by Monday. When I heard that I thought well maybe they are allowing time for the transfer - so pay by Thursday and it better be in my account by Monday.

Maybe I'm wrong, there's been so much swirling around
I remember that .
 
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It's very likely that after the first note, she started preparing for the "cash" to be available to convert. I strongly believe many parties have reached out to help her. So the sum has been waiting for the decision to transfer. My take on the amount is 2M is too low and 10M is too high, so they went with 6M hoping the transfer would be earlier in the week. Everyone can ballpark SG net worth with Google.
There are also insurance policies that public/high risk people can get that do cover random demands, etc. I am not sure if those policies are written in such a way that coverage is the holder's own kidnapping OR where the policy holder is the one paying ransom.

Furthermore, SG is a public figure with a contractually guaranteed compensation amount. You can bet her bank can underwrite a $6mil loan based just off her expected compensation and assets she owns as collateral
 
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MOO, when they are searching the septic tank, that is not a good sign.
 
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Maybe septic design varies depending on geomorphology and climate. The photos do not look like the systems in the Northeast that I am familiar with. Ours has a single square opening, less than a foot wide and the hump for the leaching field you describe. What they're probing in NG's yard has a manhole cover. Actually I see 2 manhole openings. While it doesn't look like septic systems here, I'm in a cold climate with granite ledge. It's probably different in a desert location with caliche.
Underground sewer systems ?
 
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Why is everyone so hung up on money and financial worth of the family? It really sounds mercenary. IMO, it's been a week and only last night did they say "we will pay". They know no more now than theu did when she disappeared and no money has changed hands and 530 tomorrow is a deadline. Playing games as to if the ransom demand is real or not, is risky business. They waited too long. IMO, this woman will not be recovered alive. Too much BS..red herrings like the AB story about TC, and wayyyy too much time wasted. Why would you barter for your mother's life? JMO.. I am getting disgusted with the obsession as to who is worth what and who pays. You can always make more money but you cant make more time. MOO
HOW do you know that "no money has changed hands"?
 
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Could someone with a New York Times subscription please check for an article posted 3 hours ago: 7 Days No Suspects
The goggle snip says when someone from church didn't see her in the pews they called her family to check in.

Here's the link that has the church goer alerting the family. It says approx. 11 am someone who attends church with NG called to report that she never made it to services.

- ABC News Nancy Guthrie abduction: New timeline emerges in mysterious disappearance of Savannah Guthrie's mom

So Mrs Guthrie was attending in person if true or its a big fib by someone who wasn't aware she was watching services on line these days.

Maybe the sheriff feels that alert is not worthy of a place in his timeline or time offered was not accurate or couldn't be confirmed.

It may be where the time discrepancy of getting a call about NG and the time of arriving at her home and finding her gone.

11:00, when its time for it to begin ?, seems accurate time to note she hadnt arrived at church as expected and call the family to check on her.


Imo
Here's that snippet from the article:

"Ms. Guthrie, whom friends have described as a devoted Christian, was expected at church that Sunday morning. But when someone at St. Andrew’s Presbyterian did not see her in the pews, they called her family to check in.

Alerted, Ms. Guthrie’s family rushed to her home, the authorities said. They found her phone, wallet, hearing aid, daily medication and car. But they did not find her. They called 911."

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/08/us/nancy-guthrie-savannah-guthrie-family.html
 
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Pacemakers act by sending electrical impulses to the heart to get it to beat the correct amount and is usually used for patients with too slow heart rates. The pacemaker does not need an app or external device to operate but can be used for monitoring reasons (usually so cardiologist can review abnormalities, such as missed beats or too slow or too fast rates) and to see if any adjustments need to be made. The pacemaker works without an app/external device. If someone gets too far from the device, it won’t transmit data anymore (think of a walkie talkie) but is still working to correct abnormalities. If a persons heart stops or they are in an immediately deadly arrhythmia, the pacemaker is not capable of doing anything to improve survivability.
You guys are the best. Thank you so much!
 
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The tiny detail in the Nancy Guthrie ransom note that makes FBI experts think the writers aren't even in US​


“Why would you use that if you’re a domestic person? That points to somebody who might be potentially outside the country, which also lends the potential for this being a scam,” former FBI agent Michael Harrigan told The Post.


“If you’re domestic, why would you ever put ‘USD?’ You put six million,” he added.


Guthrie’s supposed kidnappers demanded a bitcoin ransom to be paid in “USD” by two deadlines – one at 5 p.m. MT Thursday, with the amount increasing for a Monday deadline after the first was missed.


The note sender has made no contact with law enforcement or the Guthrie family since the note was first sent to news outlets last week, and investigators have not determined whether the notes are real or not.

I mentioned this earlier (and saw someone else mention it even before me), but the 6mil USD amount translates neatly into some other currencies, such as the Euro (5mil) and Peso (100mil). The person might not be international, but may be trying to look international. Who knows at this point. JMO.
 

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