Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Sadi]

I'm not adamant about one theory, but I do think it's possible that whoever harmed Nancy tried to make it look as if she had not necessarily been kidnapped, but either her body had to be hidden to remove say DNA that could be in a database (to make it look like it was a known criminal), or to make it look as if Nancy had fallen and wandered off in a concussed state. Then it could be possible that after hearing different theories during the next 24 hours or so, as to a kidnapping, and whatever evidence the family might want to prove it was the person who was at the house, they followed through with the belated ransom demand. Maybe they don't really expect to collect the money, so gave a figure they thought the family would not be able to pay.

It's my theory that whenever crimes look disorganised it's as a result of a spanner in the works and something changing in an original plan.

JMO

I don’t think the kidnapping and ransom are related at all, but I don’t have any evidence other than my own opinion. Why would they wait to release their demands instead of providing that soon after N was discovered missing? I also question why provide two deadlines? I think someone else saw an opportunity and acted on it.

 

[EightiesBoo]

I mentioned before — why didn’t we see dogs doing scent trail or cadaver dogs? Is there a reason that maybe we aren’t aware of? What would be a scenario that they wouldn’t try and do a scent trail?

Also, I know we know the times of the garage opening and closing but is there an alert at the front door around that time? Not her going in but someone coming out if she was walked inside or the car driving by the front door to drop her off? I know mine alerts for a car in the front. But maybe this is just something we don’t know or is insignificant.

Going back to the beginning and the basics because I think there are some subtle clues into things LE have done or not done.

Do we know the blood is 100% hers? Is it her type or her DNA? Do we know that she absolutely made it home that night even?

 

[Starkville]

Can someone explain the significance of this? I'm not getting it?

“Oh, snap!” Is an expression of being deeply impressed or surprised. Kind of like “Oh, sh*t!”

Either AG is lying about somebody calling from church, which could be verified in a matter of minutes, or there's something fishy about the church caller.

Purportedly, they called at 11 which would mean NG was expected at the earlier service. The second morning service started at 11 I think. Why would somebody from church lie?

What if it was someone NOT from church? Maybe it was the kidnapper, wanting to get the ball rolling.

I’m suspicious about the omission of the call from the Sherriff’s new narrative; but it’s not because I find AG/TC hinky. There’s a reason that they deliberately dropped it from the timeline. As Websleuthers point out, it easy enough to verify that a call was made to NG or AG.

IMO, it might be about who made the call, and what was said.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Wait, NG had POA for their new house? Or what did she have control over that involve SIL?

NO... this has been corrected.
AG had POA at the moment of house purchase. Common occurance.

 

[Starkville]

Do we know if family members have a lot of large debt? And how much debt is it?

And what kind of debt?

IMO, owing on a credit card or for medical bills is quite different than owing a bookie or dealer…

 

[tkcrockett]

In the SIL theory, with a death and cover up, the phone call from the church friend threw a monkey wrench into the cover up plans. He thought he had more time to stage the crime scene and put other pieces into place? So he had to think about how to handle that call, now he was under a time pressure. He had to go to NG's house, pretend to look around and call 911. The police got involved much sooner than planned.

do we know who called 911? do we know that SIL was the one who went over to check after the church call?

 

[jillybean51]

Let's say she had a nose bleed from rough handling....like an elbow to the nose or swallowing that blood then spitting it out (less likely) They then picked her up, cradling her and she bled on the perp's jacket.

I think the blood was from when she opened the door and hit.She was likely then pushed inside after that.

 

[shonyakay]

What do you make of Sheriff Nanos really putting an emphasis on that garage opening at approximately 9:48 p.m.?

Timestamp: 6:45

Is he saying the "approximately" is what he can't stress enough - or the actual opening of the garage around that approximate time?

 

[Izzylizzy]

Tommaso Cioni hires security guard as authorities conduct late-night search of Annie Guthrie’s home

The search for Nancy Guthrie continues as law enforcement searches Annie Guthrie's home. Savannah and her siblings plead for their mother's return.

www.hindustantimes.com

 

[nhmemorymaker]

As I stated in another comment, in the SIL theory, this church phone call was a major problem in the cover up. They had to respond and get the police involved much sooner than they had hoped. So they had to scramble and re think the plan.

yes, yes.
This call CAN be verified. True, they don't have to tell us..... but we know they do say things to calm the swelling public reactions.
Any new press conference will be flooded with questions about "the church lady" (just a little funny)

But IF they are leaning towards AG and TC.... they probably WOULD have to keep this to themselves.
It is just such a significant piece of the case.

 

[Tortoise]

I don’t think the kidnapping and ransom are related at all, but I don’t have any evidence other than my own opinion. Why would they wait to release their demands instead of providing that soon after N was discovered missing? I also question why provide two deadlines? I think someone else saw an opportunity and acted on it.

In that theory they were not kidnapping her, it morphed into a new plan.

It belatedly seemed like a better idea because no one would be looking for a body.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Do you have a source? Honestly NG having POA over SIL property does not make
sense.

this has been corrected. AG had the POA, at the time of home purchase.

(I have to go find the link for this.... sorry)

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Just doing some Googling, I just came across something I was not familiar with. I had no idea SG had been married before, prior to her current marriage. I guess I haven't heard it mentioned before.

I'm wondering if---LE is checking out everyone way way way back when in all of the children's lives. Former boyfriends/spouses, former classmates, etc.

Who would have the means and motivation to kidnap NG?

SG has talked about her first husband..quite a bit.
Her divorce was very hard on her, and she has been quite open about it.

He is a public journalist as well, so I think all is good with that relationship being in the past.
(unlike the recent case of you know who!!!dd)

of course,moo

 

[sds71]

NBC correspondent Tom Winter then joined Melvin and Kotb to break down the significance of the video, pointing out that there was no mention of the Monday deadline that was included in one of the unsubstantiated ransom notes, nor did they ask for proof of life.

“So when you look at this video, you say, what was in that second note?” Winter said. “I have not personally seen it, but it does appear that there’s been a shift here, at least a shift in messaging, so we note that.”

Melvin, Kotb, Carson Daly and Al Roker also took time during the show to address the unusual nature of having to report on their co-worker and friend’s missing mother.

“Our ‘Today’ family continues to navigate uncharted territory, balancing the updates on the search for Savannah’s mom with all the other stories of the day, like we normally do,” Melvin said. “But we know things are far from normal right now, so folks we are asking for your grace as we continue to do this.”

Hoda Kotb Back on ‘Today’ as Co-Anchor While Savannah Guthrie’s Mom Remains Missing: ‘We Are a Family’ and ‘We Show Up for Each Other’

Hoda Kotb joined "Today" again on Monday morning — this time as a co-anchor — as Savannah Guthrie's mother remains missing.

variety.com

 

[OldCop]

Thank you. So not only the NYT (which is quite reputable) has stated this as recently as yesterday, we have an "official" document dated (February 5) relaying that a church attendee called Nancy's family when she was noticed to be absent.

It makes sense that a church attendee would call family if they noticed Nancy was unusually absent. That is just being a good fellow perishoner checking to see if all is well.

I agree. And aside from attending church services for obvious religious reasons, for many seniors, it is a way to socialize. She may belong to a church group or her church may have a coffee hour after the service. If she had a group of friends from church, they would definitely notice her absence and, knowing she lived alone, it would not be unusual for someone to call a family member to let them know or to inquire after her.

 

[K9Enzo]

I mentioned before — why didn’t we see dogs doing scent trail or cadaver dogs? Is there a reason that maybe we aren’t aware of? What would be a scenario that they wouldn’t try and do a scent trail?

Also, I know we know the times of the garage opening and closing but is there an alert at the front door around that time? Not her going in but someone coming out if she was walked inside or the car driving by the front door to drop her off? I know mine alerts for a car in the front. But maybe this is just something we don’t know or is insignificant.

Going back to the beginning and the basics because I think there are some subtle clues into things LE have done or not done.

Do we know the blood is 100% hers? Is it her type or her DNA? Do we know that she absolutely made it home that night even?

In the early days of this investigation it was mentioned that US Border Patrol was assisting. They have highly skilled man trackers and I cannot stress this enough, outstanding tracking dogs of many disciplines. I'm assuming, before this story started gaining major nationwide news traction w/ news drones in the air, dogs were out there in the early hours. It appears the ground search around NG home and neighborhood was paused early on. I assumed because they knew this was not someone who wandered off, or was transported through any outdoor terrain. IMO

 

[shonyakay]

Could be. I just don't understand why media hasn't reported if either of them have been brought in for questioning. I would think they'd have been grilled over and over by now. Isn't media also camped out at the LE headquarters?

One thing is for sure, neither one has been detained. The Pima County Sheriff's office website hides their roster but you can search a last name. Neither Guthrie or the SIL's last name comes up.

 

[Sadi]

do we know who called 911? do we know that SIL was the one who went over to check after the church call?

No, those details have not been confirmed. I think it was said TC drove N home, but then was revised to family.

 

[Bison]

NBC correspondent Tom Winter then joined Melvin and Kotb to break down the significance of the video, pointing out that there was no mention of the Monday deadline that was included in one of the unsubstantiated ransom notes, nor did they ask for proof of life.

“So when you look at this video, you say, what was in that second note?” Winter said. “I have not personally seen it, but it does appear that there’s been a shift here, at least a shift in messaging, so we note that.”

Melvin, Kotb, Carson Daly and Al Roker also took time during the show to address the unusual nature of having to report on their co-worker and friend’s missing mother.

“Our ‘Today’ family continues to navigate uncharted territory, balancing the updates on the search for Savannah’s mom with all the other stories of the day, like we normally do,” Melvin said. “But we know things are far from normal right now, so folks we are asking for your grace as we continue to do this.”

Hoda Kotb Back on ‘Today’ as Co-Anchor While Savannah Guthrie’s Mom Remains Missing: ‘We Are a Family’ and ‘We Show Up for Each Other’

Hoda Kotb joined "Today" again on Monday morning — this time as a co-anchor — as Savannah Guthrie's mother remains missing.

variety.com

I think it's telling that there were no statements directly toward their mother in the newest video. I know it's all carefully scripted, but the lack of messages of love and support really stood out to me, as if they already know she's no longer able to hear anything.

 

[tkcrockett]

I think the blood was from when she opened the door and hit.She was likely then pushed inside after that.

are you thinking that she opened the door (from inside), went a step or two outside, something happened to cause the bleeding, she stood there a bit bleeding and cough/sneeze/spit and then went (carry/push/whatever) inside?