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Yesterday on her podcast, The Nerve, Maureen Callahan was discussing Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance with Ashleigh Banfield.

Maureen said she read that the blood drops on the porch had been tested and the blood came from Nancy. Also that there was sputum mixed with it, that suggested it had come from her mouth or nose (as opposed to a cut on her arm, say).
Maureen probably read it here!
 
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Retired FBI special agent on Hidden Killers says, "Culprit someone who had access to Nancy's house in the last 6 months or year at the longest. Not a family member." He completely dispelled the notion it was AG or SIL. He thinks it was a home invasion gone wrong. And they are likely examining all the people who may have been contracted for work, and all their contacts. Then see about home invasions in that area.
 
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Oh wow. It never occurred to me that we might actually know if payment was made.

Normally we have no idea in that regard, but this is being done in a way that the outlets who received the communications would be able to track.
Hmm, maybe they aren't going to pay it after all. Perhaps they know she's deceased, have stated they will pay for return of body, but it's just a ploy to buy LE time to apprehend. Gut wrenching either way for them. Hoping for the opposite.
 
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Bitcoin transactions are publicly visible on the blockchain. This is the entire premise of bitcoin (but to reiterate, there is no personal information associated at this point). There are multiple websites that let you explore the blockchain and look at transactions. For example, Blockchain Explorer - Bitcoin Tracker & More | Blockchain.com

If we had the bitcoin address in the ransom note, we could confirm this ourselves.
Yes,LE
MAYBE THE CHURCH FRIEND IS THE PERP! TRY THAT OUT FOR A TWIST!!!!!!
New level of case insanity unlocked.
 
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I read somewhere that the front door was locked, but that the back door was wide open.
I wish we knew when and who went to check on NG that Sunday morning, what door was entered and if it was unlocked , if so was that normal for her ?
I haven’t seen anything about this, but it could be part of the investigation that needs to be kept confidential because of future court cases.
 
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MAYBE THE CHURCH FRIEND IS THE PERP! TRY THAT OUT FOR A TWIST!!!!!!
This isn't a james Patterson novel. This is real. You can't just blindly accuse someone of murder w no evidence
 
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I'm sure it's a thought because of geographical location, proximity to the border.
At the risk of an off topic post, cartel blame was bandied about in the Rhoden murders in Ohio as well
 
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I had to look up javelinas. Would they not eat bodies that are dumped in the desert?

Also, I am thinking if NG was killed (accidentally or not) by family, would the ‘kidnapping’ be a means of getting a (decomposing) body back to the rest of the family for burial? So sorry that I am even using these words that may be read by the many people who loved NG.
More likely to be coyotes in this awful scenario.
 
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If the ransomers are independent of the crime-sceners, the ransomers got really lucky that the crime scene is not inconsistent with a kidnapping, that there was apparently no proof of death at the home AND neither NG nor her body have turned up this whole time. Ransomers IMO seem pretty confident that they had a whole week+ to extort money from the family with no risk of a discovery (NG/body) defeating their threat.

JMO
 
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The call referenced on this complaint refers to HIS call demanding ransom.
I don't see anything referring to a call reporting her non-attendance of church.
What do you see that I'm missing?
the info about church friend contacting family is on page two of that document. Not the snipped portion of the complaint that is featured in the member's post. here's the portion that mentions church friend:

1770659568081.webp


Hoax ransom Complaint doc
 
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That was suggested day 2. Especially because church lady was not identified. Could have been anyone or no one calling.
I don’t understand where the expectation of LE to publicly identify a concerned friend comes from?
 
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You mean to say they got the call and were in the home at the same time at 11:56?

I meant if Nancy's church friend showed up at Nancy's house to check on her when she noticed her missing from church but Nancy's family was already at her house but hadn't contacted LE.

I am just giving a hypothetical since the thread was discussing why LE left the church friend's contact time off of the timeline and the DC complaint.

In this scenario it would be a "contact" or "notification" by the church friend not a "call".

What you reference is a possibility too because if the contact by the church friend was indeed a "call" LE might be able to tell by cell phone gps/data that the family should have already known about Nancy missing if their data was already placing them at her home prior to contacting LE.
 
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"Guthrie family may have gotten ‘proof of life’: Mark Geragos "


 
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Every morning when I get up, after the previous night’s imagination and thoughts being on overdrive with crazy scenarios that are fitting for a Harlan Coben thriller, I’m back to thinking this is less complicated than appears to be. That NG was attacked and taken away by unknown persons connected to her, (or not), and that this whole ransom business is a separate opportunistic hoax by a sophisticated scammer. Or, a deflection scheme by the person (s) involved. But at this time I lean to the former as I honestly don’t see a family member having the wherewithal nor the tech knowledge nor the means now while being under likely surveillance to carry out these untraceable ransom notes.

However, with each more straightforward scenario, there’s something else that throws a wrench into the operation…eg the missing church friend communication. Now if something did happen within the family, that’s a possibility I can see, we really don’t know the dynamics or personal issues, financial or otherwise.
You had me at Harlan Coben.
 
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For clarity, it was not removed from any timeline. The first, official timeline from Pima Sheriff did not include it. It also didn’t include any other events that were not directly tied to her home.

This information was presented by the Sheriff timeline style at the time of the bullet point display.

I assume the call was left out of the display because of the "approximately" where the other points are times verifiable through technology and the Uber driver's recording with NG in the car.

The relatives claimed they arrived to check on NG at 11:56 and the 911 call at 12:03 must be connected as verified as to the arrival time in the 911 recording apparently. Guess they looked at the time on their phone as they arrived.

Wouldn't the relatives phone have the exact time and duration of the call from the Church friend to verify that point?

Approximately 11 a.m.: Someone who attends church with Nancy Guthrie called the family to report that the 84-year-old never made it to services, the sheriff said.

11:56 a.m.:
Relatives responded to Nancy Guthrie's home and discovered she was missing, the sheriff said.

12:03 p.m.: The family called 911, the sheriff said.

Nancy Guthrie abduction: Sheriff reveals more detailed timeline


imo
 
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Retired FBI special agent on Hidden Killers says, "Culprit someone who had access to Nancy's house in the last 6 months or year at the longest. Not a family member." He completely dispelled the notion it was AG or SIL. He thinks it was a home invasion gone wrong. And they are likely examining all the people who may have been contracted for work, and all their contacts. Then see about home invasions in that area.
This!
 
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