• #15,881
do you have a link to the rest of the family being seen?

Knowing where they are and actually seeing them is different IMO I would be shocked if no one snapped a pic, as they did last week.

I assume they meant that they have been seen by various networks, interviews etc.
 
  • #15,882
OK since my version of what might have happened had been removed (I have a copy of my version), I am leaving the discussion as I have no ideas.

My premonition is: we shall probably never know what truly happened that evening/night.

Good that they didn’t pay the ransom.
Has it been confirmed that they didn't pay the ransom?
 
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I was under the impression that the fbi, homicide unit etc were there assisting the SO in the investigation. The more resources the better right?
My opinion only, but this topic keeps being regurgitated and so maybe I am confused
 
  • #15,884
If the letter said the watch was charging at her bedside, that hardly seems like special placement, it seems like a guess (potentially) that would be correct for 99% of Apple Watch wearers. MOO
Harvey Levin was clear that the location of the watch wasn’t standard or routine. It wasn’t guessable and it was the location of the watch that piqued the FBI’s interest. (These details can leak, of course.) Things aren’t adding up – this isn’t a regular kidnapping.

Levin has mentioned this in a few interviews in varying detail but here’s one I posted a day or two ago.

 
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It sounded to me like the FBI was paying.

"The FBI is rolling out digital billboards in several Texas cities—including Houston, El Paso, San Antonio and Dallas—to aid in the search for the 84-year-old, Brooke A. Brennan, FBI Phoenix Public Affairs Officer, told CNN Thursday. The billboards feature Nancy's photo, essential identifying information and the FBI tip line for anyone with information."


This was also mentioned in the Thursday press conference; I don't have the exact language in front of me but IIRC the sheriff said something to the effect of "the FBI is putting up billboards." I can dig it up if needed.
Wonder if all the billboards are east of Tucson? Do we know if any are up going north or west? The ones in TX seem so deliberate.
 
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ITA. What I can't figure out is what they are actually looking for and why they keep returning???? JMO
I wouldn't be at all surprised if they found something down those holes yesterday, just my opinion. I'd think they would have to coordinate removal so as to not damage the evidence, provide privacy and ensure dignity, away from the eyes of the media. You'd likely need equipment, the medical examiner, district attorney and other folks present, as well as video and camera documentation of all the recovery. We'll see, and again, I'm just speculating and spitballing.
 
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if they found something down those holes yesterday, just my opinion. I'd think they would have to coordinate removal so as to not damage the evidence, provide privacy and ensure dignity, away from the eyes of the media. You'd likely need equipment, the medical examiner, district attorney and other folks present, as well as video and camera documentation of all the recovery. We'll see, and again, I'm just speculating and spitballing.
I mean at AG's specifically.
 
  • #15,888
This seems odd. Why put up billboards in Texas? Unless they think she is alive and being moved.
Sure seems there should be a concentration on the desert. Just to be certain.
 
  • #15,889
Brian Entin’s latest live tonight included an interview with rettired FBI agent. He said in his opinion, if they were suspects, the FBI would have obtained warrants prior to doing anything in the home. Full stop …

Makes sense to me.
Doesn't make sense to me.

You can be a suspect and LE still ask for consent to search. You can be a suspect in an armed robbery and LE knock on your door and ask for consent. You say no and they detain you until the warrant is signed. That's pretty common practice.

I can't think of any reason LE would be searching a house, taking pics, and removing items if no one in that house was a suspect. That would be an unreasonable search and its frankly ludicrous a retired FBI agent would say someone isnt a suspect just because a warrant wasnt signed.
 
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Good point. Also thinking of my own parents, I don’t think any of their friends have my phone number, and I don’t have theirs. So I’m surprised that a church friend would have any Nancy’s children’s numbers handy to call them.
Nancy and her husband purchased the house 50 years ago, when Savannah would’ve been 4 years old. I would imagine that there are a lot of long-term, intimate familial connections that develop between members of a community over that period of time. Growing up in an area playing with other kids, getting to know each other’s parents, seeing each other at your kids’ t-ball games, homecoming football games, church outings, weddings etc.

Did we ever find out for sure if it was via phone that they said they were notified (text or call?). Maybe the person that notified them is a mutual friend on Facebook and they messaged them to let them know Nancy wasn’t at church?
 
  • #15,891
Not good if true:

Federal agents arrived in Tucson last week to an icy welcome amid a harrowing search for Nancy Guthrie, the 84-year-old mother of “TODAY” co-host Savannah Guthrie.

She was abducted by force from her home in the Catalina Foothills neighborhood in northern Tucson around 2:30 a.m. on Feb. 1, according to Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos.

Law enforcement sources described a delay in local cooperation with federal investigators — with days going by before they let them into the fold.

 
  • #15,892
Criminal Lawyer Reacts To The Kidnapping of Nancy Guthrie - Mother to Savannah Guthrie

? It's a rant about ICE and click chasing podcasters.
 
  • #15,893
This seems odd. Why put up billboards in Texas? Unless they think she is alive and being moved.
I can't speak to why, but in the Thursday press conference, they said:

"I think the the FBI uh with their uh billboards, they're now planning to put those up at every state around here at all of our neighboring states." (From YouTube auto transcript; maybe not exact). So I don't think this is a spur of the moment decision based on some current belief or information; it sounds like it was always the plan (though I do acknowledge that Texas is not a direct neighbor of Arizona).

From approx 27:18 in the video.

 
  • #15,894
Harvey Levin was clear that the location of the watch wasn’t standard or routine. It wasn’t guessable and it was the location of the watch that piqued the FBI’s interest. (These details can leak, of course.) Things aren’t adding up – this isn’t a regular kidnapping.

Levin has mentioned this in a few interviews in varying detail but here’s one I posted a day or two ago.

Oh ok thanks for the correction. I haven't watched the video, was only going by what I read on this thread. That does sound intriguing, I hope we eventually learn the details.
 
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Since FOX is allowed
Nancy was expected at a friend's house.....not church

On Feb. 1, Nancy did not arrive at her friend’s house as expected to watch the livestream. Concerned, the friend contacted Annie — Nancy’s daughter and Savannah Guthrie’s sister — to report that Nancy had not shown up and could not be reached.

The source emphasized that Nancy was expected to be at her friend’s home that morning, not at a Tucson church, and said the circumstances surrounding her absence have been inaccurately described in some coverage.

So then I wonder was someone supposed to pick Nancy up and take her to the friend’s house? Or was she planning on taking an Uber?
 
  • #15,897
I'm not sure LE can lie. Even so, it would be horrible practice. Withholding information and claiming they dont know things/don't have a suspect is one thing. But putting out lies would not only give the defense ammunition in court - but leads to false tips and a confused public.
In the US, LE have been allowed to lie since the case of Frazier v. Cupp (1969)

But I agree, it is a terrible practice to lie to the public because it can lead to people not reporting information that they have that may be inconsistent with the lie and it generally degrades trust in LE. Personally, knowing that police are allowed to lie makes me not consider them trustworthy.
 
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That was unfair for me to call it clickbait because she probably had a source but it certainly became that.

Several people have reported no search warrants or evidence of sealed warrants. I never said there were no suspects because I have no idea.
If the warrants are sealed, there will be no evidence that they exist until they are unsealed. Their existence only becomes known to those outside of LE and the judge when the suspect(s) is in custody or the case is unsealed. It is even possible that LE got "consent" from AG and TC while also getting a warrant that is sealed. It would be a huge blunder if they only went in with "consent" and then, for example, found blood evidence... then AG and TC could argue in court that they never gave consent. Etc etc.
 
  • #15,899
Harvey Levin was clear that the location of the watch wasn’t standard or routine. It wasn’t guessable and it was the location of the watch that piqued the FBI’s interest. (These details can leak, of course.) Things aren’t adding up – this isn’t a regular kidnapping.

Levin has mentioned this in a few interviews in varying detail but here’s one I posted a day or two ago.

it may have been a unique location, but if your goal is to get paid you are going to release solid proof. you just want money and you want to get rid of the victim who is just a liability. my bet is the ransom writers are opportunists and will eventually be proven to be some youngish hacker types in this country or overseas. I actually think the mechanism to fill out an online form anonymously is probably not that difficult, and the anonymous bitcoin wallet is of course not difficult at all..
 
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