AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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Since FOX is allowed
Nancy was expected at a friend's house.....not church

On Feb. 1, Nancy did not arrive at her friend’s house as expected to watch the livestream. Concerned, the friend contacted Annie — Nancy’s daughter and Savannah Guthrie’s sister — to report that Nancy had not shown up and could not be reached.

The source emphasized that Nancy was expected to be at her friend’s home that morning, not at a Tucson church, and said the circumstances surrounding her absence have been inaccurately described in some coverage.

So then I wonder was someone supposed to pick Nancy up and take her to the friend’s house? Or was she planning on taking an Uber?
 
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I'm not sure LE can lie. Even so, it would be horrible practice. Withholding information and claiming they dont know things/don't have a suspect is one thing. But putting out lies would not only give the defense ammunition in court - but leads to false tips and a confused public.
In the US, LE have been allowed to lie since the case of Frazier v. Cupp (1969)

But I agree, it is a terrible practice to lie to the public because it can lead to people not reporting information that they have that may be inconsistent with the lie and it generally degrades trust in LE. Personally, knowing that police are allowed to lie makes me not consider them trustworthy.
 
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That was unfair for me to call it clickbait because she probably had a source but it certainly became that.

Several people have reported no search warrants or evidence of sealed warrants. I never said there were no suspects because I have no idea.
If the warrants are sealed, there will be no evidence that they exist until they are unsealed. Their existence only becomes known to those outside of LE and the judge when the suspect(s) is in custody or the case is unsealed. It is even possible that LE got "consent" from AG and TC while also getting a warrant that is sealed. It would be a huge blunder if they only went in with "consent" and then, for example, found blood evidence... then AG and TC could argue in court that they never gave consent. Etc etc.
 
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Harvey Levin was clear that the location of the watch wasn’t standard or routine. It wasn’t guessable and it was the location of the watch that piqued the FBI’s interest. (These details can leak, of course.) Things aren’t adding up – this isn’t a regular kidnapping.

Levin has mentioned this in a few interviews in varying detail but here’s one I posted a day or two ago.

it may have been a unique location, but if your goal is to get paid you are going to release solid proof. you just want money and you want to get rid of the victim who is just a liability. my bet is the ransom writers are opportunists and will eventually be proven to be some youngish hacker types in this country or overseas. I actually think the mechanism to fill out an online form anonymously is probably not that difficult, and the anonymous bitcoin wallet is of course not difficult at all..
 
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Just as an FYI, the FBI does not "take over" investigations. State and/or local authorities must request their help, and after that, I expect they will stay as long as they deem necessary to aid with the investigation.

 
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Not good if true:

Federal agents arrived in Tucson last week to an icy welcome amid a harrowing search for Nancy Guthrie, the 84-year-old mother of “TODAY” co-host Savannah Guthrie.

She was abducted by force from her home in the Catalina Foothills neighborhood in northern Tucson around 2:30 a.m. on Feb. 1, according to Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos.

Law enforcement sources described a delay in local cooperation with federal investigators — with days going by before they let them into the fold.

JFC

I wondered, I just kept feeling a disconnect between local and Federal…

Man this case is something
 
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ITA. What I can't figure out is what they are actually looking for and why they keep returning???? JMO
I'm not sure either what they are looking for, but I think they keep returning to poke someone or some people. Imagine what it would feel like if the police kept going to your house and it was on national TV. You would feel humiliated. You might do something to get the circus to stop. Maybe admit to something if you did something. At that point it might feel like a relief. Especially if your family was crumbling around you. They are putting the screws on hard.
 
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Doesn't make sense to me.

You can be a suspect and LE still ask for consent to search. You can be a suspect in an armed robbery and LE knock on your door and ask for consent. You say no and they detain you until the warrant is signed. That's pretty common practice.

I can't think of any reason LE would be searching a house, taking pics, and removing items if no one in that house was a suspect. That would be an unreasonable search and its frankly ludicrous a retired FBI agent would say someone isnt a suspect just because a warrant wasnt signed.
Agreed. I know of cases where LE has asked for consent to search, and told the homeowner that they could simply come back with a bench warrant if necessary.
 
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I don't love all these former FBI guys going on tv and saying "oh a bitcoin account can be traced and found" !!!! Like.... aren't you supposed to at least let the bad guys believe it's impossible and then.... catch them??? Not openly say you can catch someone that way in the midst of a kidnapping with a ransom??? oy.

What’s the worst case scenario here, a bad guy might think twice about committing a crime if he knows it traceable?
 
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So then I wonder was someone supposed to pick Nancy up and take her to the friend’s house? Or was she planning on taking an Uber?

she could drive.
 
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Updated: 7:36 PM MST February 9, 2026
'TUCSON, Ariz. — As the search for Nancy Guthrie enters its second week, a global security expert who protects people at home and abroad says ideology cannot be ruled out as a possible motive of the kidnappers.''

"They have to have some way of conducting that surveillance so that they can get the pattern of life down, you know, of the target," he said.
Another possible motive for an abduction is ideology, he said.
The fact that the victim in this case is directly related to a member of the news media in this politically charged environment cannot be ruled out as a potential motive. However, Steward said ideological kidnappings typically involve some sort of manifesto.''

Feb 9, 2026
Megyn Kelly is joined by James Fitzgerald, co-host "Cold Red Podcast," and Chad Ayers, former SWAT team leader, to discuss the significance of Guthrie's pacemaker, what we're learning about the timeline of the disappearance as police keep searching the two relevant homes, and more.
 
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I can't think of any reason LE would be searching a house, taking pics, and removing items if no one in that house was a suspect. That would be an unreasonable search and its frankly ludicrous a retired FBI agent would say someone isnt a suspect just because a warrant wasnt signed.

I can't think of a reason either, and I've taken in a lot of true crime.
 
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Harvey Levin was clear that the location of the watch wasn’t standard or routine. It wasn’t guessable and it was the location of the watch that piqued the FBI’s interest. (These details can leak, of course.) Things aren’t adding up – this isn’t a regular kidnapping.

Levin has mentioned this in a few interviews in varying detail but here’s one I posted a day or two ago.

I wonder if it was also more specific, like charging on the kitchen counter in the basket next to the yellow canister set or something with that type of detail, not just where but what was around it, details like an unusual color of charging cable, etc. that wouldn’t be easily guessable. MOO.
 
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JFC

I wondered, I just kept feeling a disconnect between local and federal…

Man this case is something
That may have angered the FBI, who then didn't inform the sheriff that the Guthrie family had recorded a video (he found out from his wife).
 
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I mean at AG's specifically.
I'd guess they keep getting reasons to think there is evidence there, and are going there to find and secure it. Just my opinion.
 
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I said "if" they are closing in. Meaning on the SIL as there has been vast speculation in the last couple of days due to the searches by LE at Annie's home.
Exactly.
The searches are what are arousing suspicion.
It's not rocket science.
 
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it may have been a unique location, but if your goal is to get paid you are going to release solid proof. you just want money and you want to get rid of the victim who is just a liability. my bet is the ransom writers are opportunists and will eventually be proven to be some youngish hacker types in this country or overseas. I actually think the mechanism to fill out an online form anonymously is probably not that difficult, and the anonymous bitcoin wallet is of course not difficult at all..
Agreed about the absence of solid proof. But after this much time and no sign of NG, I think the writer of the notes is more likely to be the person responsible for NG’s disappearance. And that all the media attention, and the distress it’s causing SG could be the goals.
 

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