AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Cipher Vale]

If the public statements are being used to further the investigation, and find the truth, they can be deceptive. In short, broadly speaking, LE can not lie under Oath, including in Court or when submitting an Affidavit (such as for a warrant). Speaking broadly, generally, if LE is not under Oath, they can use tactics meant to further the investigation. Just my opinion.

Yes I agree with that interpretation. But LE cant hold a presser and say "Well, this is a forced entry kidnapping" when they know that no forced entry was made. Or "this was an random attack, everyone lock your doors!" if, in fact, they have reasonable suspicion it wasn't.

 

[GailAnne]

Savannah Guthrie says, 'We believe our mom is still out there'

U.S. television network news host Savannah Guthrie, who said her family has reached "an hour of desperation," pleaded for the public's help on Monday in locating her elderly mother, presumed kidnapped for ransom more than a week ago from her Arizona home.

www.reuters.com

What SG said vs saying, " we believe mom is still alive."

 

[cady]

She didn’t want to drive to her daughter’s house and took Uber instead?

Because she would be returning after dark. She did not drive at night. jmo

 

[Murder She Wrote]

I deeply suspect that the olde pirate/ outlaw/ biker saying of : “Three can keep a secret- if two are dead” counts double for teenagers ala: Aw shucks boss man, I only told my ex girlfriend and my best buddy on the football team.

But…. As other posters suggest one does not need to be the consigliore of the Luchesse family, nor the CFO of the Gulf cartel to create complicated bit coin schemes.

Though I think an experienced crime group is behind it, I don’t think there is a reason why a Breaking Bad type teacher, two criminally well supervised teens, and…. a little luck could not get this far.

Cryptic, you have a way with words. Thought about writing murder mysteries?

 

[SMK777]

I do have a feeling you are correct that there are sealed warrants. I bet if they refused consent, the house would have been secured and warrants would have been produced.

Agreed.

 

[CandyKiss]

DBM

 

[Monepone]

He read the note. He has it. It was sent to TMZ.

Yes, then someone in LE confirmed to him that the author's claims about the location of NG's watch were supposedly accurate

 

[DenverToCali]

She didn’t want to drive to her daughter’s house and took Uber instead?

1. Sunset is about 6pm in Tucson so would start getting dusky around the time she’d be driving there.

2. She’d have to get her car home somehow and it sounds like she needed it Sunday morning.

Easier to take an uber when you take all of that into consideration.

 

[missy1974]

Not good if true:

Federal agents arrived in Tucson last week to an icy welcome amid a harrowing search for Nancy Guthrie, the 84-year-old mother of “TODAY” co-host Savannah Guthrie.

She was abducted by force from her home in the Catalina Foothills neighborhood in northern Tucson around 2:30 a.m. on Feb. 1, according to Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos.

Law enforcement sources described a delay in local cooperation with federal investigators — with days going by before they let them into the fold.

Nancy Guthrie latest: Sheriff says search expanded and announces follow up on 'new leads'

The FBI has said that alleged ransom notes have set a final deadline for Nancy Guthrie, the missing mother of NBC “Today” co-host Savannah Guthrie, for 5 p.m. local time Monday.

www.foxnews.com

Sounds like that Sheriffs Dept is a mess.

And THAT is why they have to keep going back to the houses. IMO

 

[judithannegg]

If they declare them suspects before a body, they can mess it up. Its a process and you want a conviction in the end.

Exactly. A body is needed to have cause of death. It's not impossible, but it's difficult to convince a jury to convict if there is no body and no cause of death. If you name a suspect, that person will lawyer up and the police can never question them again. And remember, the police CAN lie; even though they say they have no persons of interest, they may have persons of interest. Even if the police say that they have no leads or no evidence, that doesn't mean that is true. This could be a tactic to make their suspects let their guard down and make some incriminating statements or reveal any evidence.

 

[cathathorse]

Brian Entin’s latest live tonight included an interview with rettired FBI agent. He said in his opinion, if they were suspects, the FBI would have obtained warrants prior to doing anything in the home. Full stop …

Makes sense to me.

I watched that interview and felt that retired FBI agent was either out of his depth or not up to speed on the case. For one, he said sealed warrants would still be viewable as in existence in court records to the public/reporters when they are most definitely, definitely not.

 

[Moonchime]

Are Police Allowed to Lie During an Investigation?

Police are legally permitted to use deception in an investigation, but clear constitutional lines exist. Learn the rules that define these important limits.

legalclarity.org

Thank you for responding with this link. From everything I've always heard in my online sleuthing career (lol), LE can and does lie.

 

[nightowl2728]

Great summary. I would argue that during the consent search, evidence such as blood would immediately call for the house to be declared a crime scene, secured, and warrants signed then.

I do have a feeling you are correct that there are sealed warrants. I bet if they refused consent, the house would have been secured and warrants would have been produced.

Sorry I don't have the OP, but is it the case that LE can get a sealed warrant and NOT tell the subjects of the warrant (in this case, AG and TC) of its existence? How would they search the home otherwise (assuming LE didn't get consent, which I understand they did here).

I also sort of agree with those who said the searches of the homes again tonight could be a distraction to real work underway elsewhere.. and not clearing the family (TC specifically) could also be intentional, if they're trying to make someone else comfortable. At the same time, I see a reason to clear family quickly to avoid escalating rumors. Not sure.

With regard to the night searches of the homes again, if legitimate, I could see why searching with similar lighting conditions as the the night NG disappeared to be helpful - where are shadows cast or not, where is there lighting, what is visible (or not)? What are the noises like from the road, etc.

 

[HoveringWombats]

I watched that interview and felt that retired FBI agent was either out of his depth or not up to speed on the case. For one, he said sealed warrants would still be viewable as in existence in court records to the public/reporters when they are most definitely, definitely not.

JMO we could do with fewer retired LE pundits with no inside information putting out theories on this case.

 

[Cipher Vale]

I remember LE searching Laci Peterson's home long before Scott was declared a suspect. As a matter of fact, he wasn't declared until they found her body. They took samples from their pool, his steering wheel house, everywhere prior to her being found and he let them i guess.

Yeah but that was where she lived as well. Searching the missing person's home would be par for the course.

 

[birdbox]

the dinner at AG's was at night time, or at least, would when nancy left, and she knew she'd be able to get a ride home from family when it got dark. not

So I looked at the route SIL would have taken from his house to NG's. Most of it is along Orange Grove which, in that area is very residential with walls and the backs of houses facing Orange Grove. I highly doubt there is any camera footage from there. There are no businesses. The route along Oracle from Las Lomitas to Orange Grove would have several businesses that may have had cameras.

Question. How long would a bike ride take from AG house to NG house at say 1:30am with no traffic and back roads?

 

[zecats]

I wonder if it was also more specific, like charging on the kitchen counter in the basket next to the yellow canister set or something with that type of detail, not just where but what was around it, details like an unusual color of charging cable, etc. that wouldn’t be easily guessable. MOO.

But if she charged her watch in the same place, it would have been a known location to almost anyone who came into the house, i.e. cleaning, repairs services, visitors, etc. For reference, I leave my charger plugged in and in the same location. Then I just place the watch there every night before bed.

 

[K.jill]

Sounds like that Sheriffs Dept is a mess.

And THAT is why they have to keep going back to the houses. IMO

All of this must be a nightmare for Nancy’s family. The worry about inexperienced le on top of everything else.

 

[LAhiker]

Harvey Levin was clear that the location of the watch wasn’t standard or routine. It wasn’t guessable and it was the location of the watch that piqued the FBI’s interest. (These details can leak, of course.) Things aren’t adding up – this isn’t a regular kidnapping.

Levin has mentioned this in a few interviews in varying detail but here’s one I posted a day or two ago.

As you note, the info about the location of the watch and the condition of the floodlights could leak. Here are some thoughts about that, which may be relevant whether the people who sent the ransom messages were involved in NG's abduction or not.

Levin says that the location wasn't standard. Two things that aren't clear to me:

• Was the watch in an unusual location for NG? Or did NG routinely keep or charge the watch in the same unusual location?
• With regard to the floodlights, is it certain they were okay prior to NG disappearing? Or could they have been damaged earlier?

With those open questions, who might know about the location of the watch?

• People involved in the abduction
• Family members, if they saw the watch when checking the house or heard from LE where it was, or if NG routinely kept the watch in an unusual location.
• People involved in the investigation.
• If NG routinely kept the watch in an unusual location, people who helped out in the house

Who might know about the destruction of the floodlights? If the lights were okay prior to her abduction:

• People involved in the abduction
• Family members who may have seen the lights when checking the house or may have heard about them from LE
• People involved in the investigation

If the lights were damaged prior to the abduction:

• People involved in the abduction (maybe)
• Family members who may have seen the lights when checking the house or may have heard about them from LE
• People involved in the investigation
• People who helped out with the house.
  
  JMO

 

[connie9030]

Thank you, @tricia!!! I was just mentioning to someone earlier wondering if this was going to happen for this case.

Thanks again

What does this mean? Only Fox News can be used as a source for this case or Fox News cannot be used as a source for any case except this one?