• #17,901
I think this is likely the most helpful image to someone who is intimately familiar with this person.View attachment 643354
Dark under eye liner aimed at making eyes look rounder and larger than they are. Fake mustache. IMOO
 
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  • #17,904
Looks like a halloween costume. Like why go to trouble of removing front door doorbell camera looking like that. Car was probably near garage if on property, so take NG out the side door. Just seems like NG was already removed from house and this was a coverup.
If you remove the camera you wouldn’t saw her leaving or in why state she left
 
  • #17,905
I believe you can’t be 100% certain. Some people genuinely have eyes with a feminine appearance even though they’re male and not undergoing any kind of transition, etc.
 
  • #17,906
Apologies if this has already been said but should we assume Nancy had already been disabled inside the house when this video was taken?

Don't those ring cameras alert you to movement on the doorstep?

I thought that was the whole point of them :(
Mine sure does.
 
  • #17,907
Those terrifying photos of the guy gave me a chill. To think that he was likely the last face poor Nancy Guthrie saw. In my opinion, she is now deceased. I hope they catch the guy and lock him up for 100 years.
 
  • #17,908
Middle Eastern??? in my opinion that’s a huge stretch
Big question: Is this person related to the ransom? For what other reason would they want NG?
 
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Agreed this man is either white or hispanic. JMO
Exactly. There’s many different ethnicities here. I don’t know where the heck Middle Eastern comes from. I’m sorry, but you really just can’t pick that out of this picture at all.
 
  • #17,911
Didn’t even have to destroy the camera. Covering it with tape would work…but alas person brought none. Then backtracks on camera to show gait (which will help determine height) and shoes, which can lead to shoe size from size of tiles. Not a thorough plan-ahead or during. Did they think a ski mask and gloves would be enough? Happy to realize this criminal slipped up, as I was starting to feel it was super powers were involved. Or the luck of the Irish.
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  • #17,912
There’s no blood droplets in the video. It appears as though those came sometime after this.
Wow! Two separate visits? Same person or two different people? Where’s his vehicle? Or another person came back to pick them up?Wouldn’t he need help to carry her?
 
  • #17,913
As being reported on Fox Live (so can't provide a link to what I heard/saw on TV).

The talking head said that he held the plants up to try to block the video. I don't agree with that. I mean, why block with a few plant strands? Especially when he came with a backpack he could have taped paper over it, used his thickly gloved hand, ANYTHING but a few plants strands. That makes no sense to me.

It looks like to me like he's holding them up so the camera can see them, like they mean something to him. But what?
The video shows that he picked the plants from just outside the door and then held them up to block the camera. His other hand was likely busy dismantling the camera.

I don't think he would take the time to put down his backpack and fish around for something to block the camera due to the time that would take. IMO, the look in his eyes shows extreme adrenaline and he wants to get this done fast.
 
  • #17,914
He knows the camera is there and is using the flowers as a macabre message.
moo
maybe? maybe not?

my other thoughts were that the blocking of the camera with the flowers and (weirdly) with the side of their fist were some kind of test of the camera's sensitivity? or something like that? though I don't know how they could get feedback unless they had the feed hacked. ... and that seems to require another person watching it and talking to the perp over earbuds. and I don't know what the purpose would be, especially since perp is already captured on video and they ended up smashing the camera anyway.

in general, the perp seems like they're being careful, but in ways that are hard to make sense of.

with the business of staring at the ground, it looks to me like perp is being careful to walk on cracks rather than flat tile. maybe to avoid leaving good shoe prints? the door mat isn't an issue because it doesn't keep prints.
 
  • #17,915
Why did it take so long for them to retrieve it??
It was deleted, so they had to use special methods I guess.
 
  • #17,916
So the FBI sat on these photos which POTUS had alluded to in a previous statement instead of getting them out to the public ASAP. Instead, they decided a media spectacle with their director was more important.

No spectacle. The FBI did fantastic work here and released the images and video quickly. IMO

“Over the last eight days, the FBI and Pima County Sheriff’s Department have been working closely with our private sector partners to continue to recover any images or video footage from Nancy Guthrie’s home that may have been lost, corrupted, or inaccessible due to a variety of factors - including the removal of recording devices. The video was recovered from residual data located in backend systems,” Patel wrote in the post.

Working with our partners - as of this morning, law enforcement has uncovered these previously inaccessible new images showing an armed individual appearing to have tampered with the camera at Nancy Guthrie’s front door the morning of her disappearance,” the post continued.

 
  • #17,917
I would think burglars and kidnappers don't ring doorbells. Would they not want the element of surprise? Why use the front door, vs the back door or window (there's a fence tho so maybe a locked gate, given the pool).
Moo
 
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Why wait a week to release these photos?
 
  • #17,920
So the FBI sat on these photos which POTUS had alluded to in a previous statement instead of getting them out to the public ASAP. Instead, they decided a media spectacle with their director was more important.
It's possible they were hesitant to release the images/video with the ransom note and the Monday deadline. Since that has passed, they now felt comfortable releasing it.
 
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