• #4,601
I have many Ring cameras and subscriptions start at only $4.99/month. The Nest camera storage is only $10/month or $100/year. I have friends with cameras that absolutely refuse to pay for a subscription. I don't get it either.
I wouldn't pay to upload data about me and my household to a third party cloud. It's surveillance, not security.
 
  • #4,602
I must be used to Seattle prices because everyone keeps mentioning that her house is 1 million plus and I’m like, so a regular small house??
It’s a very nice home that’s appreciated over the decades.
 
  • #4,603
The "forced entry" question. Do I remember correctly that Nanos wouldn't answer that, or that he said no forced entry ?
 
  • #4,604
The sheriff backed off the forced entry statement made on Monday. Acted like he had never heard of it. That’s stupid. Anyway, he would “neither confirm nor deny” it now.
The ransom note referenced NG NOT wearing her Apple Watch and a broken flood light, then there were questions about whether those things could have been found out by watching news coverage.
Those are important things. I kinda think there is more to why they think the TMZ ransom note is legit.
 
  • #4,605
At that hour, i don't see her coming to the door, or even hearing the door knock or bell

Does her dog bark?

Leaning still towards someone had access and that makes me sad
 
  • #4,606
I noticed that during the pressor they avoided saying exactly which family member dropped her back off at home....
 
  • #4,607
My speculation

Perp/s park vehicle out of camera range
Disable cameras
Enter home, accosted NG, force her to the door, injured.
Unless she was carried, the almost would have had to assist her to the door.
Wanted at the door where she continued to bleed
Car is retrieved, driven right to the door (no cameras now)

JMO
 
  • #4,608
If they know the time of the “person detected” alert, how can they not know which camera it came from? Alerts are always linked to a specific device. Or are they trying to flush somebody out being vague about the camera situation? Hoping to spook the perp into thinking there were more than what he/she was aware of? But then why would they say they’ve been unable to extract data as it’s been overwritten? This is so confusing.
I think the FBI knows and the Sheriff tried to be very careful to let the FBI answer the questions about technology and the devices specifically. IMO the sheriff tends to use 3 or 4 sentences when 1 would suffice.
 
  • #4,609
Maybe Nancy was still paying her own bills and made that decision herself.

She could have believed the appearance of them might scare someone off, too.

Jmo
This. Having the camera is a deterrent but the subscription isn't. The only time you need the actual recording is if something has happened and she/they no doubt thought the probability was low. A lot of people (myself included) have the camera purely so they can look and see who is at the door.

Having said that, I agree with the person way, way, way back who said Nancy was fairly exposed as the mother of a high-profile person with whom she also occasionally appeared on TV with, including a segment a couple of months ago highlighting their Tucson hometown. I would think that Savannah might have pushed for more security, although maybe she did and Nancy refused. It's something I don't have to think much about as my 82-year-old mother is a worrywart with every camera, light, and doorbell subscription she can think of.
 
  • #4,610
I did actually look up if a pace maker continues working after death before I posted. Every single source said yes. Here is one.

Does a pacemaker keep working after death?
Yes, pacemakers may continue sending electrical signals even after death, as they are not designed to recognize when a person has passed. This does not affect end-of-life processes
.https://www.myrhythmdevice.org/living-with-a-cardiac-device/end-of-lif

No suspects either. ☹️
They very well may "suspect" someone but aren't going to put that information out to the public because they don't want to tip that person off. It's possible the evidence is pointing toward one person but they are still gathering evidence. It's also possible the evidence doesn't point to anyone person yet.
 
  • #4,611
sounds like she entered the house through the garage....was opened, she was dropped off, and closed. ???? She had the opener on her key fob so she opened it for family to pull in and drop her off then leave and she closed the door???
Could have opened the garage and then chatted in the driveway for a minute before going inside and closing the door.
 
  • #4,612
2 minutes is a long time to have a garage door open before closing if you are walking in.

Let's assume this is a rounding error and it is closer to 1 minute 31 seconds to round it up.

Regardless, you raise it and walk to the control near the interior door and that is only like 20 to 30 seconds.

Did the family stay for that minute until she closed the door? Or did they drop her off in the driveway then go on about their business. I doubt that.

All of this is wondering if the perpetrator gained access to the house thru the open garage or if access was much later in the early morning when the other activities happened?
not necessarily. if she opened the door as the car was pulling up. then it takes time for a mobility impaired person to get out of the car... then slowly walk to the door. then if she used a wall remote to close it vs one in her hand? Or perhaps she was walked to the door, so then A or T had to actually exit the garage before she could hit the wall remote? lots of scenarios that a feasible.
 
  • #4,613
A quick google search says she actually did not have a dog. The dog from the missing persons flyer photo is a relatives dog.
I think the black poodle might belong to Annie. Both photos where I’ve seen the dog pictured it looks like the background was at Annie’s house.

JMO
 
  • #4,614
The "forced entry" question. Do I remember correctly that Nanos wouldn't answer that, or that he said no forced entry ?

He would not confirm.

IMO not confirming it confirms it for me

JMO
 
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I think to have taken the body gives a feeling of power to the evil doer who did this. Still feels like someone in the family is connected to something/someone bad. There are lots of well known people so i agree with a previous poster, why the Guthrie family? Would love to be a fly on the wall behind the scenes. Jmo
OK.... so IF this is completely random.... what IF when they got in the house they saw pics of SG and realized they had a family member/mom?

in reality... i don't believe this... BUT when I read this post it popped in my head!
 
  • #4,617
Only for one of the fake ransoms notes.
The note that went to TMZ or the local station? Or was there a third note? If it was fake, are they thinking the other note is not fake? I thought they were the same note? Confused about the ransom situation.
 
  • #4,618
He would not confirm.

IMO not confirming it confirms it for me

JMO
I wonder why he wouldn't confirm. Is it an important bit of info that they want to keep quiet? Seems to be a simple question.
 
  • #4,619
Police are not required to immediately name a suspect, even if they have one, as they must balance public information rights with privacy, the integrity of an investigation, and the presumption of innocence. Generally, names are withheld until formal charges are filed or in specific cases involving public safety.
 
  • #4,620
If no blood in the house and only on the front porch, the perp could have been someone who, in this order 1) disabled the ring cameras 2) knocked on the door to get her to come to the door 3) ambushed her at the door, a small struggle ensues, and puts her into a car
In this scenario, I’m wondering who she would open the door for?
Random example: “this is your über driver. I have something you dropped in my car.” (of course she shouldn’t answer for him). I only use this example because the über driver would have been able to see cameras and just how DARK it is surrounding her street and neighborhood, when picking her up.

If SG didn’t make Nancy a target, certainly living in such an unlit area with poor video surveillance of the streets etc. made her a vulnerable target.
 
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