AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[SRWCF]

Why not a robbery if you were an outsider? Seems an outsider would be interested in $ and valuables. It's not the Capone days. It would take a lot of intellectual planning to get away with a ransom. Why take an 84 yr old woman? Makes little sense. Where would someone take her? Did they not know her relationship to SG, or understand the disappearance would be nationwide?

Why take her at all? If this was a robbery, they could have just locked her in a room while they were committing a crime, then left. Her disappearing is what is puzzling...

 

[snoopy100]

OK.... i give up... since EVERYONE including family are fair game: maybe they are sleepdivorced? so ya.... T could leave without knowing?

still not convinced... i think it's random, a SG stalker, or some wacko that didn't care for beliefs of either S or N G.....

yeah, that's so fair. i thought this but still dismissed it as unlikely that someone could enter/leave a house without someone else waking up, just based on my own experience.. but i hate when other people project their own experiences onto cases like this because every person is different and anything is possible.

so yes, definitely there's a possibility that they sleep in separate rooms or AG didn't wake up from meds, etc.

if that's the case, my next question would be what car was he driving? and what time did he get back? and of course, where did he put nancy???? i feel like car GPS would tell the story pretty clearly?

if it's him, let's say he got to nancy's at 1am and left with her around 2am (pacemaker disconnected).. i think he probably would have to be home by like, 7am, at the latest, before he was noticed to be missing or someone would notice him coming back home.

i honestly don't think anyone in nancy's immediate family is involved. but if i'm wrong, i take back everything i said. actually, i never said anything in the first place.

 

[ly502]

Per the presser, "family" brought her home. They wouldn't state who exactly.

Think about what they were specific about and what they weren't, what they gave to us and what they didn't. They didn't need to tell us at all about the Uber driver. No one was even wondering about how she got to her daughter's house! This was them giving us something and even implying they cleared him/her. Then they don't include something in the timeline that always seemed to be - that someone from church notified family NG wasn't at church. Why NOT include this? Then they don't identify who brought her home from her daughter's. Very strategic in leading our attention, possibly distracting from things they don't want us to focus on, giving us something new (the Uber trip) so we may not feel they were holding back (like who notified the family in the first place?). Did anyone notify the family at all?

 

[Sadi]

Strange that they had her take an Uber to their home

That’s what I thought too. I’m sorry if I snapped at you thinking it was about me and my mom.

 

[TMich6811]

I don’t know.

Someone argue me. What evidence is there to show this is someone who was close to her vs something like a SA gone wrong

 

[InkyEvie]

FWIW... I went back to the first few pages of this thread and the first mention of the apple watch was Monday around 1pm Arizona local time, and then not talked about again until hours later.

I think I started reading here Monday night/Tuesday morning, and all the posts about the watch, I couldn't figure out if she left with or without it or if it was all speculation.

No idea when the Media ransom note was sent, but it's been suggested 'Monday morning'.

TMZ made a point of correcting their first statement, that the note said something about what she was wearing and it actually said something she was NOT wearing. (if that is in regards to the watch? who knows)

The FBI guy said something about Ransomware. And the note was in Ransomware format. I had to do some searching. This is typically used to hold data/computer systems 'hostage' until a ransom is paid. It pops up with information on what and how to do it, but I don't know how Ransomware would be used in real life kidnapping scenario? And if there is no way for the family to get proof of life, what does the family do?

The FBI did answer a question about the bitcoin addess that was in the Media ransom note, and said that they have not been able to connect it to anyone.

I felt like the "ransomware" comment was a slip, he corrected himself pretty quickly. I can't really think of how it would apply in this scenario.

But now I'm trying to remember where/when I saw the comment about the watch being on the charger... I know I saw that somewhere.

IMO

 

[gammagirl]

Someone who is familiar with her home would know this.

Maybe someone who installed it for her or programmed it onto her phone?

 

[naomiuk]

My

This is very strange to me.

grandmother is over 10 years older than NG, and is extremely independent and lives alone, catching taxis, going shopping and out to social events regularly-with mobility issues similar to Nancy.
She would be horrified to hear you and others don’t think her capable of doing these things or that her family are neglecting her by allowing her to live how she wants.
Older people are not babies, they are quite often perfectly capable of making their own decisions.

 

[Sadi]

Think about what they were specific about and what they weren't, what they gave to us and what they didn't. They didn't need to tell us at all about the Uber driver. No one was even wondering about how she got to her daughter's house! This was them giving us something and even implying they cleared him/her. Then they don't include something in the timeline that always seemed to be - that someone from church notified family NG wasn't at church. Why NOT include this? Then they don't identify who brought her home from her daughter's. Very strategic in leading our attention, possibly distracting from things they don't want us to focus on, giving us something new (the Uber trip) so we may not feel they were holding back (like who notified the family in the first place?). Did anyone notify the family at all?

Exactly

 

[moonbeams]

It's a security layer as well. I had Ring cameras installed at my 83 year old mother's house who lived alone (doorbell and backyard). I got instant alerts on my phone anytime anyone rang her doorbell or approached her property. She often had solicitors come to the door, landscapers, the often handyman when repairs or maintenance was needed, etc. It was a major piece of mind for me as I lived in a different city.

I get not wanting to have indoor cameras but outside cameras recording to the cloud are all around you whether you want it or not. Your neighbors, any Tesla, every store you walk into, etc. Just about anywhere you go you have video data being upload of you to the cloud.

it took me a while to convince my husband that inside cameras were a good thing. the final thing that put him over to get them was they would help US in the event of a home invasion/self defense issue should it ever happen. Obviously none in the bedrooms or bathrooms.... but there are cameras in EVERY room of our house and all four sides of the outside! yep.... we are FULL of cameras!

 

[Chimera]

yes, the sheriff was deliberately vague on who actually drove Nancy home

Sounds like a big 'tell' in whom LE are looking at ?
Or just part of a larger investigation.

I'm honestly a bit worried this sheriff may accidently let something slip that he shouldn't have.
Need to trust him more, I guess.
Imo.

 

[SRWCF]

yes, the sheriff was deliberately vague on who actually drove Nancy home

That is very notable, IMO.

 

[Sadi]

Maybe someone who installed it for her or programmed it onto her phone?

Someone close and known to her.

 

[Born2BWild]

1:47 to 2:28 is 31 minutes

editing: 41 min... bad math!

May I add one more bad math, however small?
11:56 am to 12:03 pm is 7 minutes.

 

[turaj]

yes, the sheriff was deliberately vague on who actually drove Nancy home

i think they are investigating (mod snip) T and don't want to spook him out.

 

[KrisCo16]

I’m about 40 pages behind. A few thoughts:

Do we know how old the blood is at the front door? Is it possible it’s not relevant to this event?

The use of the word “recovery” does not give me hope.

I think they’re closer than we realize; however, the announcement of a reward makes me also think that they’re not.

I still don’t understand why they’d impound AG’s car unless they’re looking at the family.

I don’t live in Tucson, so maybe he’s ineffective, but I can appreciate a man who recognizes when he’s wrong!

 

[Trino]

I think this has to be financially motivated. Period. I mean, who in their right mind would take a mostly immobile 84 year old woman for any other reason unless there would be a nearly guaranteed monetary reward at the end? Just transporting NG alone would be difficult, given her immobility, age, and dependance on medication. It would be akin to kidnapping an infant that would be entirely dependent upon the kidnapper for everything. I don't think NG was taken to be locked in a room and SAed for a certain length of time. I'm sure it was premeditated, the kidnappers knowing of NG's famous, wealthy daughter.

The perp has to be really, really dumb to think he could get away with such an abduction and demands. Every police, sheriff, FBI, state is looking for her, and, assuming the perp is identified (per ransom), there's just no way.

 

[Sadi]

Sounds like a big 'tell' in whom LE are looking at ?
Or just part of a larger investigation.

I'm honestly a bit worried this sheriff may accidently let something slip that he shouldn't have.
Need to trust him more, I guess.
Imo.

I thought he did a much better job today. He did get caught up a couple times, but was well prepared.

 

[HoveringWombats]

Strange that they had her take an Uber to their home

This doesn't strike me as strange at all. We've done similar stuff with family and friends more than once. Sometimes based on our schedules or what's going on, it's just easier for one person to Uber or Lyft over and then get a ride home, or they have the option to Uber back home if that's better. Especially if they don't want to have to drive home in the dark (so they don't want to have their car at the family's house, and have worry about how to get it back). I don't understand the big deal. A short Uber or Lyft ride is easy and not very expensive, and sometimes much more convenient than having someone stop what they're doing and go pick the person up. Consider if one person was cooking and the other was still at work. Or any of a million other scenarios.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Here are the puzzling things to me:

1) Why the circling helicopter with agents looking out the sides? Looking for a place someone was buried or something discarded by the perpetrator? That landscape would be very easy to spot disturbed soil on foot or in the air. Just to make it look like the sheriff's dept is doing something?

2) How could a broken camera detect someone after it was disabled? Could it be instead a motion sensor inside the house like we used to have?

My gut feeling is that LE has video of the vehicle involved from multiple neighbor's door cameras and that they are trying to trace the vehicle to where it wasn't seen anymore passing by and therefore get to the point of knowing about where the driver either parked or left onto highways. IMO, video cameras are the most important forensic tool to help guide LE for facts. I believe that takes a lot of time to canvass the area but that ultimately, LE will know the kind of vehicle (make and model) but probably not a license plate.

I tend to agree with you regarding LE has more, and hopefully more about the vehicle.
(Remember the walking perp grainy video in the Tepe case?? We knew they had more video showing that perp getting into a vehicle--but would not show us)

However, these houses seem to be set back quite a distance from the road, so even ring cameras may not have picked up anything on the road.