AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[HoveringWombats]

My understanding was payment initiated by Thursday, received by Monday. Disclaimer: I know nothing about crypto, but that is my recollection.

It wouldn't make any sense because crypto does not take days to transfer. It's not like a bank transfer.

I think the dual deadlines is another one of those things where we don't have enough information to have a good quality discussion about it. We haven't seen the actual language of the ransom letter. Some of the descriptions have said things like, if you don't do it by Thursday, X happens and if you don't do it by Monday, even worse thing Y happens. But without actually seeing what was said, we're flying blind. I am pretty confident, though, that it wouldn't be "initiate the transfer on Thursday and we must receive it by Monday" because it's completely nonsensical for Bitcoin. And it's also not "do it by Thursday or do it by Monday" as some people have characterized. It seems pretty clear from the vague details we have that the two deadlines do have at least some differences between them. Not disagreeing that it's a weird way to do it, but maybe not entirely as weird as some people are assuming in this information vacuum.

 

[LisaCougar]

I also have a pacemaker, and I know nothing about an app. I go in every few months and they attach me to their computer and get a reading, such as the percentage of time that the pacemaker has been triggered.

Yep, my husband goes every six months so they can check it.

 

[desert-blue]

Welcome back to power.
as close to Mexico as LA is to Tucson, like i wouldnt want to make the drive in a day, but you could
and personally the longer this goes on the more i think its a botched robbery
i think the BIL i belive is being scrutinized as he's the last person who saw her alive but no i dont think it was him or there would have been more discovered by now

I think it's an hour drive from Tucson to the border.

 

[SMK777]

I'm beginning to think that the alleged call to AG from someone at NG's church was a ruse. Why else would LE not include the call in the official timeline?

Or an error on someone's part. If it was a ruse, it would be significant. Unless LE doesn't want someone to know that.

 

[HoveringWombats]

Another thing on the dual deadlines for the ransom note. I think it can make more sense if you put yourself in the head of a person who truly wants this to be the one and only message they send, with no further communication (largely as a strategy to avoid being caught). In that mindset, I think it actually makes a decent amount of sense to think a little bit about the various ways things could play out, and trying to address them all in the one message you're going to send, so you don't have to come back and send another message later.

I'm not going to ascribe perfect competency or sanity to the person doing this, but I think there's a certain logic that is possibly happening.

 

[citizen_sleuth]

Apologies if this has already been posted, but I've been working on developing a timeline and saw that KOLD posted a video with more details about the ransom note they received

The video states that they received the ransom demand via anonymous email at 6:42pm on Monday (Feb. 2). According to KOLD, the second deadline given in the note was 5pm on Monday (Feb. 9).

 

[SaraSmile]

Correct. To add more to this, she purchased (with her husband) in 1975 for 85,000. With inflation over time, that's the equivalent of spending just over $508,000 today.

Source: Inflation Calculator | Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis Inflation Calculator | Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis

She bought the house for $85k, worth $1mil now. This means she has $915k pure cash in equity( assuming there are no loans against it). If sold today, she would get $915- realtor fees,taxes, closing costs, so easily end up with over $800k cash. Someone mentioned Annie wanted her to sell, probably nothing sinister, just Mom getting older, maybe downsize, needs more help.

 

[shonyakay]

Maybe I missed it being discussed here but there are reports that a white van was seen in the area and reported by a neighbor of Nancy's in the days leading up to her disappearance.

Savannah Guthrie's Mom's Neighbor Reported Unmarked White Van on Their Street to Police Days Before Nancy Went Missing

Nancy Guthrie's neighbor reported suspicious activity on their street just days before she disappeared. Brett McIntire, who lives across the street from Savannah Guthrie's missing mother, revealed in a new interview that he recently called the police after noticing an unmarked van parked on...

www.aol.com

 

[Rb1234]

Forgive me this is probably a silly question but I keep wondering, how was a person/movement detected on the doorbell at 2:12am, after it was disconnected at 1:47am?

 

[MissPie]

I also have a pacemaker, and I know nothing about an app. I go in every few months and they attach me to their computer and get a reading, such as the percentage of time that the pacemaker has been triggered.

My cousin just got a pacemaker and it connects to a box beside his bed that transmits to the cardiologist’s office. He doesn’t own a smartphone.

 

[shadowsc]

the really weird thing about this is, if he was not connected to the other ransom request, and money was put in the bitcoin wallet, it would not go to him so how crazy is he? wants 15 mins of fame and jail ASAP?

Exactly. He's just a loon. He didn't even send like a ransom letter. He apparently texted something like did you send the bitcoin, I'm waiting on the transaction. And then called them. Like....pretty asinine way to get yourself a felony that had no upside. It seems like he's just a nut. And a dumb one who used a VOIP connected to his own gmail account!

That data has been huge in some other cases I've followed. I'm not sure we know the model car (s), but that would be helpful in determining if they had that technology.

Brian Entin said in the Megyn Kelly segment, "Um and so they you know they have like normal cars. I think she has a Camry and then there's an SUV." Which...yeah, isn't a model or year so who knows.

The other thought that came to mind was that it's kind of interesting that the ransom note was first sent to two local Tucson local stations. (Shoutout to the one who gave it to LE rather than going live with it.) And then TMZ. If Savannah was the real target (or her money or a crazed stalker fan), you'd think a letter would have absolutely been sent to NBC or the Today Show, almost flaunting. Knowing it would definitely make its way immediately to SG.

The other thing is that if this ransom note is legit, I guess they are just taking their chances and playing poker that the Guthrie family will comply and just pay it without proof. Or, if NG is actually still with the adductor, it's almost like wouldn't the kidnapper just send some type of proof of life because at this point it's pretty obvious the family would likely pay it and negotiate Nancy's return. Even if the family paid it at this point, I'm sure they fear that it's already too late.

I'm sure the family wants to believe the ransom note is real because right now that probably feels like the best chance scenario that their mom is still here. Just a horrible situation.

 

[stmichael]

Whole thing reeks of amateur hour to me.

No proof of life, no direct contact, leaving blood spatter for an 80+ year old woman.

That being said, another case of poor residential security/PERSEC. Cameras with no subscription service (no cloud upload/push alerts, RING was $100/year for all your monitoring includes cam cloud, plus fire and police monitoring).

Family dynamics a bit strange, but that's not unusual (daughter and SIL live 10 minutes away, yet an 80-ish woman took an uber to dinner).

 

[MissPie]

Forgive me this is probably a silly question but I keep wondering, how was a person/movement detected on the doorbell at 2:12am, after it was disconnected at 1:47am?

According to the sheriff yesterday, there was more than one camera. ETA: at least that’s what I understood him to say. The press conference was often confusing!

 

[acutename]

And my garage door seems to take about 20 seconds at least to fully open before I can even walk in. And I refuse to walk under it until it’s fully up and stopped because I have an irrational fear of it falling down while moving. We didn’t get time down to the millisecond so it could be closer to 1 minute and 2 seconds between start of opening and closing. She would probably have to wait around 10 seconds for the garage door to get up enough for her to have enough room to walk under it (if she was rational enough not to worry about it falling on her!), so it could be we’re working with 52 seconds for a person with lower mobility to walk from the front to the back of the garage. Maybe she had an empty plastic water bottle in her hand, or a tissue that she figured she would throw away before going inside and her trash can was on the other side of the garage from the door closer button, so she went to the trash can first, taking up another 10 seconds. I am so confused as to why people are so hung up on the “2 minutes” (anywhere between 62 seconds and 120 seconds), even if she already out of the car and standing right in front of the door when it started to open.

they think that some one is creeping in after her. does not align with the "open" back door

 

[Inthedetails]

I think it's an hour drive from Tucson to the border.

I don't think the perp took her to Mexico if he plans to bring her back. Crossing the border back to USA would be a risk, imo.

 

[thefragile7393]

TUCSON, Ariz. (NewsNation) — A high-level law enforcement source told journalist Ashleigh Banfield Tuesday that the son-in-law of missing 84-year-old Nancy Guthrie “may be the prime suspect now” in her disappearance, according to reporting Banfield shared Tuesday night.
Eta

Banfield: Source gives info on cameras, clues and possible suspect in Nancy Guthrie case

Ashleigh Banfield reports on what a longtime, “impeccable” law enforcement source tells her about the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie.

www.newsnationnow.com

Google says 60 miles to the border
JMO

border really likely isn't playing a part here, IMO. It's true it's not that far but it's a couple hours at least, depending on where you're going

 

[thefragile7393]

I don't think the perp took her to Mexico if he plans to bring her back. Crossing the border back to USA would be a risk, imo.

especially with needing a travel card or passport now, even to border cities.

 

[ab01]

Or an error on someone's part. If it was a ruse, it would be significant. Unless LE doesn't want someone to know that.

I could also entertain a situation where the person that dropped off NG may have went home and said, hey she says she’s going to go to church tomorrow.(Even though she may or may not of said that). Maybe you should check with so and so in the morning to make sure she made it ok. Or maybe you should text so and so tonight and have them let us know in the morning if she made it ok. Just hypothetical

 

[LaLaw2000]

Nancy's birthday.

If it was a birthday celebration at Annie's, wouldn't whomever drove her home help her take any gift(s) she may have gotten for her birthday inside the house? Presumably, that person would help her out of the car, walk her to the garage and into the house? It would seem to me that would take longer than the 2 minutes the garage door was supposedly open. This is all so crazy!

 

[stmichael]

Forgive me this is probably a silly question but I keep wondering, how was a person/movement detected on the doorbell at 2:12am, after it was disconnected at 1:47am?

This is a good question asked by some "legal experts" on news sites.

Having deal w Ring cams, if they removed it and put it in their bag/pocket etc. it can still detect motion if hooked up to the wifi. It may be an erroneous reading or a butt-dial type of detection in that case. I have a flag that blows in the wind that comes up as "person detected" as well as deer that are tall enough, though the algorithm is quite decent. With these systems placement/angles, detection zones, etc. are very important. This one didn't even have a subscription to a cloud. I doubt it was an optimal set-up, and the skell would have seen that.