AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[ly502]

Exactly. This would be easily verifiable, yet it is not.

Exactly...so if they verified it, like they verified the Uber driver, why not include it in the timeline. Isn't it "harmless" then?

 

[Alkali13]

Let @tricia know....
she was asking for people to express their thoughts regarding longer threads.

LOVING the longer thread.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I'm popping in and out of this thread as it's moving insanely fast and impossible to keep up for slow pokes like me!

I'm veering on the side of a long stewing grudge possibly personal or acquaintance/someone known to her. I can't see it being anything else after I review it all.

I don't believe there is an actual ransom note was there? It's dragged on too long for that in my opinion.

I don't think it's familial/insurance/inheritance related as there's 50 million other ways (well not literally but YKWIM) to have someone 'pass away' to get insurance.

Taking a possible living, fighting, immobile senior is not the way to get rid of someone for insurance motives MOO.. So that leaves a grudge of some sorts for me. Or did she stumble on some info? Fraud or embezzling of funds from somewhere?

Any important dates coming up? I always find timelines interesting - why did this crime HAVE to happen on that day and time? Was it random or connected?

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2019866916106465434

 

[Alkali13]

Question: Early on, wasn't it reported that homicide was on the scene almost immediately?

 

[stmichael]

Could alerts have gone to Nancy’s phone, which was left behind? First alert could be the “offline”/went dark one, perhaps second was after it had been removed? Maybe the perpetrator/s triggered something while removing the battery or destroying it?

The app on the Apple Watch replaces the bedside unit-my question is, what happens when out of range of the unit or app?

I am curious about who was set up w/ the alerts as well. I'm assuming it was to her phone, but it could have even been to her daughters (my elderly neighbors kids set up ring cams for their parents who have health issues and they get the alerts and can see their parents come and go etc).

If the skell removed the Ring cam physically (the Nest cams were reported to be "disabled" or destroyed) it could still be transmitting in a bag or pocket and even a shift in movement could push a "person detected". I've moved Ring battery Floodlight cams live from one spot to another and this can happen.

Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much sophistication on both ends; meaning NG house was a casual homeowner basic installed system (two brands, Ring and Nest, no subscription/cloud --it's $99!, no real serious effort) and the "kidnappers" seemed to be amateur hour as well.

 

[InkyEvie]

So if the church phone call thing is something that the FBI is unwilling to verify, doesn't it prove that they don't trust what Annie/SIL are telling them? If no church call to Annie, how did they know to check on her at 11:56?

All in all, we have SIL as the last person to see her alive supposedly dropping her off at 9:48, we have Annie the first person to check on her (for reasons unknown).... seems like the two of them are squarely involved in the entire 14 hour range when things went down....

I don't think it "proves" anything, respectfully. I'm thinking LE just doesn't want to release something that they have yet to verify, or they're trying not to put their foot in their mouth (again).

And to have family so squarely involved in the immediate time prior isn't fishy, it's perfectly normal given how close the family seemingly is. AG & TC are the presumably the closest family to their elderly mother, they are bound to be heavily involved in her life. And as has been noted, family is always going to be checked closely, especially in the beginning of an investigation. You work your way outwards from there.

IMHO.

 

[tbgo]

Yes, the plant at the door also looks like lantana. Doubt it was part of an arrangement.

It's weird that they're so close to the door and not next the the sidewalk. It would seem "juvenile" "immature" to cut a few lantana stems and pass them off as a "gift". Yet, there are people who do this with lantana. (There are little kids who pick mine) I wouldn't expect Nancy to do this. I wouldn't expect another homeowner to do this.

It's almost as if someone came to the door with these in their hand to lure someone out. MOO MOO

Thanks for your observation....

Image source: https://www.justjared.com/photo-gallery/5275540/guthrie-home-01/

Off-topic but there was actually an Amazon package left by the door too. I guess it was delivered after the crime scene tape went down. So sad.

 

[Jade]

I do not see an upset relative ripping off the ring cameras- esp if they were drunk or on drugs, IMO.

Why not? They would be recognized right away with no explanation why lurking about when NG happened to disappear.

The camera removal seems the bare minimum of aftermath work.

Apparently this wasn’t a rush job and any dolt would think of the camera especially in a drunk or drugged charged out of character attack they immediately regretted and tried to cover up.

Just because they are drinking or taken some drug doesn’t mean they were completely out of it just emboldened by it.

Because Mrs. Guthrie was so independent and had her own life there’s no telling it could be someone her family has no idea she has even a causal connection with or totally random from someone observing her out and about by herself and following her to see where she lives.

I think about that sometimes when I see elderly out by themselves they look so vulnerable and frail. But I’ve recently lost elderly parents and I know how strong in mind but how fragile physically they are.

all imo

 

[Moonchime]

Latest from Brian Entin....."something else in the letter"

I think something could be happening behind the scenes with this ransom situation.

This case becomes more baffling by the hour.

 

[Bluewing3102]

This case becomes more baffling by the hour.

Part of me hopes the ransom is true and related. However, I feel like in 2025 in the age of information it's not hard to get familiar with an area or person with a quick google search. It really makes me wonder how the letter is worded/what it includes.

JMO

 

[Gemmie]

Yes, the plant at the door also looks like lantana. Doubt it was part of an arrangement.

It's weird that they're so close to the door and not next the the sidewalk. It would seem "juvenile" "immature" to cut a few lantana stems and pass them off as a "gift". Yet, there are people who do this with lantana. (There are little kids who pick mine) I wouldn't expect Nancy to do this. I wouldn't expect another homeowner to do this.

It's almost as if someone came to the door with these in their hand to lure someone out. MOO MOO

Thanks for your observation....

Image source: https://www.justjared.com/photo-gallery/5275540/guthrie-home-01/

I further cropped the pic you posted to make an observation (which likely has been brought up but there's no way I can keep up with the speed this thread is going).

My observation is this...

1) It's very "splattery" in this further cropped pic. I'm talking about the teeny-tiny splatters that look like speckles, not the larger drops:

2) The blood appears to start at that spot. IOW, I believe she was likely punched in the face and perhaps that might be from a nose bleed, and boy can noses bleed. I came to that conclusion because there isn't any visible blood on the step.

So she made it that far, then what happened to make her bleed? Also, those torn plants right there. Was she drug away and she tried to grab on to anything? Even if that's the case, why did those plants end up exactly where they are? It's not like they were inside the house and got drug out through the door. That would make sense of their placement but that's not the case here.

If she was hit in the face or head, and has mobility issues, she likely went down. Brick isn't forgiving. Thankfully there isn't a blood smear on that step cuz that could really cause a bad head injury.

Image source: https://www.justjared.com/photo-gallery/5275540/guthrie-home-01/

So, if 'stuff went down' on her porch... why did it start there? Did the person ring her doorbell or knock on her door? Maybe saying something like "Fire department!" to get her to come to the door? I've tried Googling to see if there was a struggle inside the house and as I said... I just can't keep up with y'all!

And do we (i.e. - You all) know if she actually ever made it into the house after being "dropped off"?

 

[MarciB]

I am curious about who was set up w/ the alerts as well. I'm assuming it was to her phone, but it could have even been to her daughters (my elderly neighbors kids set up ring cams for their parents who have health issues and they get the alerts and can see their parents come and go etc).

If the skell removed the Ring cam physically (the Nest cams were reported to be "disabled" or destroyed) it could still be transmitting in a bag or pocket and even a shift in movement could push a "person detected". I've moved Ring battery Floodlight cams live from one spot to another and this can happen.

Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much sophistication on both ends; meaning NG house was a casual homeowner basic installed system (two brands, Ring and Nest, no subscription/cloud --it's $99!, no real serious effort) and the "kidnappers" seemed to be amateur hour as well.

it is mind boggling that she didn't pay the subscription for the cameras. These were Google nest associated with ADT. I have ring cameras so maybe a little different setup, but you still have to pay some type of subscription to store the video

 

[MarciB]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2019866916106465434

FYI, everyone, Brian Entin has a new video (filmed yesterday after the presser). It is very good and informative

 

[tbgo]

Have they said anything about tire tracks left behind? Maybe that’s why they were allegedly looking at the sister vehicle.

 

[dalsglen]

50 pages behind now!

Can you folks all go take an extended coffee/lunch/dinner/wine/beer/hoover/dust break for us dunces at the back!

SHUT UPPPPPPP lol, yes you, you know you're guilty of not dusting that cobweb up to your right, yes THAT ONE, go do it now, go onnnnnnn.....

 

[HoveringWombats]

I get what you are saying. Perhaps the kidnappers thought ok, we will send a ransom letter that is professional looking, well constructed, good grammar, address ahead most upcoming questions. Their thought, trying for credibility, the kidnappers will be perceived as “ honest enough

I don't really think of it about honesty or believability. Just "we have one shot to send this without too much risk of getting caught, so we have to make sure we say everything that we need to say right now" (because each additional message dramatically increases the risk that they'll slip up). And also "they have everything to lose and we have nothing to lose [not really true, of course] so it's on them if they choose to demand stuff back. We're not going to answer." I don't think it's a big stretch to imagine a perp thinking that they can only risk sending one message, and if we believe that, I think the rest makes some degree of sense.

 

[InkyEvie]

Latest from Brian Entin....."something else in the letter"

I think something could be happening behind the scenes with this ransom situation.

The writer of the letter "knows something about NG" and seems to be local to Tucson. This makes me wonder if maybe they know something about her personal habits, like a certain healthcare provider she sees or a store she frequents at a certain time/day regularly, that sort of thing. Something not so easily found on Google.

IMO

 

[connie9030]

It was sent to a local Tucson news station first. Was also sent to another news station (can't remember the name). Then was sent to TMZ on Tuesday.

I think it may be more about accesibility. TMZ has an easy to use tip form and they probably monitor it all the time. I did a quick search of email NBC.. I got a lot of emails come up and it says, depending on your needs.

I have thought that they maybe were concerned the News stations didn't receive the ransom letter, because LE kept saying that there was none. TMZ posted about there copy shortly after the press briefing by the Sheriff on Tuesday.

Part of me hopes the ransom is true and related. However, I feel like in 2025 in the age of information it's not hard to get familiar with an area or person with a quick google search. It really makes me wonder how the letter is worded/what it includes.

JMO

In a real ransom scenario, if the family doesn't pay, the kidnappers usually get louderand more aggressive to show they are serious.

• Going quiet often suggests the kidnappers have abandoned the plan because the "burden" (as you called it) became too much to manage.

Part of me hopes the ransom is true and related. However, I feel like in 2025 in the age of information it's not hard to get familiar with an area or person with a quick google search. It really makes me wonder how the letter is worded/what it includes.

JMO

I was hoping so too but in a real ransom scenario, if the family doesn't pay, don't the kidnappers usually get loud and more aggressive to show they are serious? Going quiet worries me that they have abandoned their plan.

 

[Pharmasgirl]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure we don't have an answer on that.

Ditto, we've been waiting...