AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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Not about the language, but a different question

Perhaps someone remembers a detective/mystery novel where the criminal leaves “clues” in difficult-to-approach places. The “clues” consist of short poems. I don’t remember whether they are classical or written by the criminal himself, but each contains a “hint”. They finally find the person but it is not easy to decipher.

Does anyone remember what I am talking about? It is a well-known novel but I read it a long time ago, so I remember only “patches”.

I have a feeling that I am observing something similar here.
 
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If the keys are missing they would tow her car, but more likely they are just trying to make sure no evidence is in the car, and I would suspect they are taking it to a location to a secure facility so they can a full forensic exam.
 
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IMO a random, unknown bad guy, didn’t have access to NG vehicle.
Doesn't mean there's not evidence on the outside of the vehicle.
 
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The point reported says that she is alive and scared
It was written by the ransom seeker and reported about what was written. Seeker could well be lying, but reporting that he said it is true.
 
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Hard to understand the significance of NG’s car being towed from the garage after they’ve been in the house for days…could this be something more than a nothing-burger?
I said a bit above I just think they are covering all bases. Likely just want to do forensics on her car. Just in case I guess
 
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I actually think they’ve chosen to keep that quiet now since AB said SIL was a suspect. They said early on that SIL dropped her home

Apparently Sheriff Nanos told New York Times just recently too that it was the SIL that dropped her off that night.
 
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All I'm saying is that if it is statistically more probable that a kidnapper would return my loved one if I paid a ransom - regardless of whether the kidnapper agreed to show me proof of life (I would of course plead for it) - then I would still pay it if I was able. I know my consequences of not paying it.

JMO.
I agree
 
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I wonder if the confusion regarding who dropped her back home relates to the daughter and son-in-law giving conflicting statements or not being able to keep their story straight. That seems to be such a cut and dry fact.
Also I wonder if the dinner was a pretense to carry out this plan?
And what about the claim allegedly made by family members that someone from church reached out to them to say their mom never showed up? But then there are some reports that NG hadn't been to church in person in years. If they didn't have their story straight on the church reach out, LE would know something was wrong that day.
 
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Yes thank you, it was in the context of a kidnapping story line in the movie. I still think it is quite odd to use a quote from a movie about a serial killer when talking to the person who has abducted your mother. There are other ways to humanize the victim. I am assuming the FBI gave some tips on how to handle communication and that is one I cannot figure out.

I’m hopelessly and helplessly a million pages behind and won’t be able to catch up until I get back to New York ( if the plane isn’t canceled due to weather).

I saw this post though as I am hurrying through. I agree it seems like a strange thing to say in this context of literal real life and death.

I wonder if perhaps, in the ransom note which we have not read, maybe Savannah was instructed by the kidnappers to say this? Some kind of coded language that is supposed to be a message back to the kidnappers?

Just speculating.
 
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IMO a random, unknown bad guy, didn’t have access to NG vehicle.
So you're telling me they are towing the car of the last person that saw NG alive - alone - and that this weirdo ransomwocky could be a sloppy cover-up? I mean mother in laws, man.
 
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It is my understanding that the California man who sent the fake ransom message to the Guthrie Family is facing federal charges of transmitting a demand for ransom, and using a telecommunication device with intent to abuse, threaten, or harass a person.

I still think that he should have also been charged with extortion and obstruction of justice.

The way I see it is that anyone who sends a fake ransom demand should have the book thrown at them and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
He was released today on a $20,000 bond. Nancy Guthrie: Man Who Allegedly Sent Family Bitcoin Texts Granted Bond
 
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I tend to think he has involved himself due to SG’s status in America. Seems she is a long standing, well liked and well respected news anchor/journalist
The FBI is involved, therefore the president is involved
 
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I feel like the FBI has taken over at this point? And they are doing their own... MUCH BETTER.. search of the home.

IF they think she was taken across state lines, wouldn't this automatically become a Federal case?
 
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On the Pima County Assessor site, you can view great aerial view ( Oblique map) of NG home and neighborhood. Zooming in is not super clear. It is indeed her guest house. I believe small wooden area is for trash cans.
I hope this is allowed. I would've directly linked pages, but this will get you there. If its already been posted, I do apologize.
Pima County Assessor's
 
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The FBI is involved, therefore the president is involved
True but he doesn’t always verbally insert himself in every FBI case. I guess that’s what I was getting at
 
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It is my understanding that the California man who sent the fake ransom message to the Guthrie Family is facing federal charges of transmitting a demand for ransom, and using a telecommunication device with intent to abuse, threaten, or harass a person.

I still think that he should have also been charged with extortion and obstruction of justice.

The way I see it is that anyone who sends a fake ransom demand should have the book thrown at them and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
I think the will get him under the charges you named. AB was saying if he had just texted, "Have you paid?" that could be possibly argued as a "just curious" , random person asking "I was just asking, did you pay it?!!" question. But the fact that he said, "Waiting on the transaction" or whatever he said, leaves no plausible deniability. And then he actually called them. I don't think he got very far. I don't know how far they would get with extortion, but I'm sure he will go to prison. He sounds like not the brightest or most upstanding idiot. They should be prosecuted for wasting time and resources and harassing the family, absolutely.
 

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