AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[shonyakay]

Can't find it now, but a poster up thread said they can tell how long it's been there; darker color would indicate longer time.

I stated that but let me be clear that I am not claiming to be a blood pattern expert by any means. I am just a lay person whose knowledge of the topic comes from being interested in true crime.

Travis Alexander was killed June 4, 2008, his body was discovered five days later on June 9, 2008 and his blood had turned black at that point. Nancy's blood on the porch was still red days after the crime scene was first released.

 

[Catdetective]

agree - I have no respect for AB leaking this info AT ALL unless its sanctioned by LE which it appears it is not but who knows.
I am just relaying what is happening on that front.

AB is not one of my trusted go to people - nor is her friend MegKelly.

JMO

I've watched a few YouTube videos today with commentators who say that they are friends with SG and then leaking information about the investigation, potentially involving her family members.

I don't think that would sit well with me if I were SG. But I guess it's very difficult when personal relationships intersect with professional roles.

 

[moonbeams]

Unusual case, so more of my unusual thoughts dumped here: im looking inside the family dynamic here for this scenario. 1) How often was family game night or hang out? Was that a routine occurrence? Was it special occasion? I would look toward any details to suggest this was either 100% routine family pattern or something unusual. Why? If totally out of norm, could point to some sort of "stage setting" story line for a variety of reasons. 2) Let's say im a family member in the will. I cant wait 5-10 more years for you to die, I have urgent financial (Fargo) type needs now. I have already murdered you and I know you will be found at some later date after decomposition. That will line up with my story that you missed a deadline and I murdered her. Now, as the family member murderer, I never needed the bitcoin. I just need the life insurance and estate payday. The bitcoin address i gave i found online after researching unused but coin addresses and I never had any intention of collecting it. It was just part of a plot to throw everyone off and who cares if my rich sil put the amount in the bitcoin? Im getting an insurance and estate payday which could be a lot for an average American salaried worker. I imagine NG has a net worth of several million with her home and nest egg, life insurance amount could be upward of $1 million as well. To a desperate relative in a will could sound like a lot. Fargo mindset individual.

i don't understand where people are getting that NG was worth millions? yes her home was valued at a million... but it wasn't purchased at that....

 

[Sadi]

Thats the point of verified insiders though. They can give information that isn't known and they don't need to provide links.

My point is why even say anything about it? I understand the verified source and don’t need to provide links, simply sharing she know something, but why do this at all? It’s simply to share she has the scoop, get attention and has insider knowledge. Whatever, sorry, not sorry. I’m moving on.

 

[SaraSmile]

Seems very weird. Either the sheriff is incompetent or deliberately misleading. We do know there was a no-confidence vote for the sheriff.

JMOO---How corrupt could this sheriff be? Could there be involvement? Just missing cameras, not processing the scene correctly, releasing the scene too early---seems to be oddly strange to me. Diliberately done? IDK Just throwing out theories.

Sheriff Nanos gets vote of 'no confidence' from deputy group

The Pima County Deputy's Organization says all but one of the 86 deputies who voted supported the no-confidence stance.

tucson.com

Not corrupt, just inept. Hope evidence isn’t thrown out at court case.
JMO

 

[Deepinthought52]

As many white vans that are witnessed in crimes, you’d really think we’d have a lot less unsolved crimes in this country. Just look for the white van!

Eta: Yes i’m well aware it’s the most common vehicle known to man. Just a bit of levity

Oh gosh, they even taught us about watching out for white vans without windows in the 80’s… to this day i’m still weary!

 

[Fromeaster]

I still don't believe it's a kidnapping for ransom and I still think it's people close to the victim. But if I'm wrong and it's a kidnapping, it's her only option to be alive. I still don't understand the situation with the church, because I read that she hasn't been going to church since Covid.

 

[swanniee11]

@missy1974 Thank you for the "phone in the car/home. I saw that this morning and I thought we had info that the phone was found in the home when they went in Sunday. I went back to page one looking and the MSM that was posted back then are updated so I couldn't find anything. So just to clarify, the phone was found on Sunday not last night correct?

 

[Bridger]

Apropos of a number of posts saying they would "push the button" or some such to send the money, as if it's an easy decision: It is much easier for us here, with a theoretical missing loved one and theoretical millions, to say what we'd do, than it is for someone with a real missing loved one and real millions, getting advice from the FBI and weighing the dangers of giving bad guys a roadmap to free millions (if the ransom notes are hoaxes), to actually push that button.

 

[captdj]

Her apple watch would it know when she removed it to charge? Right
Like her heart rate graph and steps taken ?

Cameras no subscription so maybe security was not her 1st thought
So why was only one missing? a battery one? how could they know it was removed at 1:58? is there a log?

Front door had two locks. was it unlocked? Keys found?

Blood not smeared by walking thru it not sure why how unless she was hit after leaving ? why was she hurt?

And 1st note said no more communication would be sent. why send another note yesterday before Mondays deadline.

In BE video there was one lawn light uprooted in front of her home? still wondering when that happened .

 

[zecats]

Could it be that the whole situation was a lot longer? That something happened over the dinner time and we are focused on just the late night return to the house? IF it was the family, that opens up the time frame significantly.
Just trying to think outside of the box. I have no real theory, this case has thrown me for a loop for sure.

Of course, just my (current) opinion.

Why would Nancy want her SIL to drive her home then if something argumentative in nature occurred while she was at their house. I’d have then asked my daughter to drive me. Not seeing this family involvement at all in this. . Also MOO

 

[Wsimm]

Providing information with no link or source. Basically threw in a hand grenade and left. At least Ashleigh Banfield explained her source.

Agreed! She post her initial thoughts, then pastes and reposts it again only to come back and post “she’ll be back later, but will read our comments in the interim”? Feels self indulgent and very odd.

 

[Inthedetails]

Oh gosh, they even taught us about watching out for white vans without windows in the 80’s… to this day i’m still weary!

True.

 

[Mayor Perk]

Do we know of any cases where someone was returned alive after a ransom was paid? Im struggling to think of any.

Frank Sinatra, Jr., John Paul Getty III come to mind.

 

[SMK777]

It's troubling that for such an urgent, allegedly kidnap-for-ransom scenario, this case is dragging on and seems always to become stagnant.

I guess I expected to wake up this morning to a big break and am baffled to see once again the same going in circles.

I hope there will be a break soon.

 

[turaj]

Seems very weird. Either the sheriff is incompetent or deliberately misleading. We do know there was a no-confidence vote for the sheriff.

JMOO---How corrupt could this sheriff be? Could there be involvement? Just missing cameras, not processing the scene correctly, releasing the scene too early---seems to be oddly strange to me. Diliberately done? IDK Just throwing out theories.

Sheriff Nanos gets vote of 'no confidence' from deputy group

The Pima County Deputy's Organization says all but one of the 86 deputies who voted supported the no-confidence stance.

tucson.com

this reminds me of Canton Ma. and the police coverup with Karen Read.

 

[browneyes]

i imagine that LE was not happy at all with DJT's comments. Really out of line and self serving in my opinion.

He knows nothing about this case, IMO. He just rambled to hear himself talk.

 

[LAborn]

Did Nancy normally take Ubers to her daughter's house? They don't live too far away. Could have the lights/cameras been damaged between the time she left and time she arrived home? Finally, and while I am sure she is a very independent woman, I wonder why she was actually living alone considering how very frail she was according to her family- not that it makes a difference now but a thought I wonder with this.

A lot of older people live alone, she's been independent for many decades since her husband passed. She has a daughter close by.

 

[SMK777]

I stated that but let me be clear that I am not claiming to be a blood pattern expert by any means. I am just a lay person whose knowledge of the topic comes from being interested in true crime.

Travis Alexander was killed June 4, 2008, his body was discovered five days later on June 9, 2008 and his blood had turned black at that point. Nancy's blood on the porch was still red days after the crime scene was first released.

Understood, but I still appreciate your input!

 

[curiouscatinoc]

I think we might be reading too much into the “exact time” her pacemaker disconnected from her phone. My dad has had a pacemaker for 15 years and recently got a new one. His doesn’t continuously sent data to his phone. It transmits it when he is sleeping usually between the hours of 12am-3am. If his phone isn’t near by it will try again a little while later and then eventually send him a notification that it couldn’t connect. Everything I’ve researched online has stated that others are the same way and they aren’t continuously sending data.

I say this because people are making a big deal about the big time lapse between when the camera broke and the pacemaker disconnected, but the pacemaker could have been out of range before 2:28am. I think it’s more likely that the 2:12am detection of a person was them leaving with her.