• #8,781
Seems very weird. Either the sheriff is incompetent or deliberately misleading. We do know there was a no-confidence vote for the sheriff....
My only hope is that this level of incompetence is an act...However, with some of the things that have been done thus far, it's hard to hang onto that hope. I'm just thankful that the FBI has joined in the effort to bring NG home. I hope is the sheriff has allowed them to basically take over this investigation.

JMO.
 
  • #8,782
This is a very good article that details Nancy’s career after her husband died in 1988.

Nancy worked for the U of A from August 1990 until Jan. 1, 2007, first as spokeswoman for University Medical Center and later as associate to the vice president of university advancement.

As part of her duties, she coordinated the Center Stage program, which brought in musicians from the university and beyond to put on monthly lunchtime musical performances at the hospital for staff, patients and visitors. She also served as program director for Medcamp, the U of A’s annual introduction to the medical field for select Arizona high school students.

In recognition of her work, Nancy was elected president of the Southern Arizona chapter of the Public Relations Society of America in 2000.

Retired U of A vice provost Elizabeth Ervin said she was working in marketing and communications for the College of Fine Arts in the 1990s, when Nancy was brought in to help them broaden their reach “beyond our own walls.”

She said Nancy would lead regular committee meetings on how they could improve and expand their messaging at a time when the university’s various departments were doing great things but in an isolated, “siloed” sort of way.

Ervin said she and her colleagues looked forward to those meetings because Nancy kept them upbeat and fun. “She was a good leader,” she said.

You never would have guessed the woman was in the early years of a new career after the death of her husband.

“She was always extremely positive,” Ervin said. “She has an amazingly positive spirit.”

Former reporter Carla McClain said she often interacted with the public relations team at University Medical Center during her career covering health care for the Tucson Citizen and the Arizona Daily Star. She described Nancy as level-headed, accommodating, gracious and “totally upfront.”

She was just great to work with. She understood what my job was as well as her own,” McClain said. “When you encounter good people in life, you know it right away, and Nancy is a very good person through and through. There’s a kindness and an aura around people like that.”

That’s what makes what’s happening now so unfathomable, she said. “This is a woman who I’m certain has no enemies,"

[…]

More at link:
Who is Nancy Guthrie? Inside the life of Savannah Guthrie’s mother and Tucson community leader

Thanks so much for this @osu ..
 
  • #8,783
Cyber security PhD student checking in here. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the digital trail (even behind a VPN server) is what might help to take them down. Our federal cyber capabilities are extremely powerful.

Would adding a photo/video/audio file be easier to trace? Is there a way to truly delete the info attached to it?
 
  • #8,784
This is a very good article that details Nancy’s career after her husband died in 1988.

Nancy worked for the U of A from August 1990 until Jan. 1, 2007, first as spokeswoman for University Medical Center and later as associate to the vice president of university advancement.

As part of her duties, she coordinated the Center Stage program, which brought in musicians from the university and beyond to put on monthly lunchtime musical performances at the hospital for staff, patients and visitors. She also served as program director for Medcamp, the U of A’s annual introduction to the medical field for select Arizona high school students.

In recognition of her work, Nancy was elected president of the Southern Arizona chapter of the Public Relations Society of America in 2000.

Retired U of A vice provost Elizabeth Ervin said she was working in marketing and communications for the College of Fine Arts in the 1990s, when Nancy was brought in to help them broaden their reach “beyond our own walls.”

She said Nancy would lead regular committee meetings on how they could improve and expand their messaging at a time when the university’s various departments were doing great things but in an isolated, “siloed” sort of way.

Ervin said she and her colleagues looked forward to those meetings because Nancy kept them upbeat and fun. “She was a good leader,” she said.

You never would have guessed the woman was in the early years of a new career after the death of her husband.

“She was always extremely positive,” Ervin said. “She has an amazingly positive spirit.”

Former reporter Carla McClain said she often interacted with the public relations team at University Medical Center during her career covering health care for the Tucson Citizen and the Arizona Daily Star. She described Nancy as level-headed, accommodating, gracious and “totally upfront.”

She was just great to work with. She understood what my job was as well as her own,” McClain said. “When you encounter good people in life, you know it right away, and Nancy is a very good person through and through. There’s a kindness and an aura around people like that.”

That’s what makes what’s happening now so unfathomable, she said. “This is a woman who I’m certain has no enemies,"

[…]

More at link:
Who is Nancy Guthrie? Inside the life of Savannah Guthrie’s mother and Tucson community leader
Hard working, strong, successful lady. She overcame untimely death of husband and raised some pretty successful kids. Id say her life spoke well of a good person doing her part in the world to make this crazy place a bit better. All the more tragic, unfair and infuriating. This is someone's mom, grandma, church friend, and former colleague. Prayers she is ok and whatever [link removed] brought to justice.
 
  • #8,785
Question for people with knowledge of car mechanics. If a car has not been driven for a long period of time is it possible it will not start easily?
i wouldn't think that would be an issue on a 2025/2026 vehicle which is what i read here last night that hers was....
 
  • #8,786
I question his ability to go to his mother-in-law’s house, stay there for 40 minutes, kidnap and drive her somewhere, return home and sneak back into his home with his wife (Nancy’s daughter) or kids even, not noticing he was missing. Plus he’s been a family,y member for decades it seems. Suddenly he turns heartless and does this to his wife’s mom? serious doubts about that. MOO
Could it be that the whole situation was a lot longer? That something happened over the dinner time and we are focused on just the late night return to the house? IF it was the family, that opens up the time frame significantly.
Just trying to think outside of the box. I have no real theory, this case has thrown me for a loop for sure.

Of course, just my (current) opinion.
 
  • #8,787
before this has everyone chasing their tail and we go in circles again.... I think the phone being found in her car is NOT correct.

Her phone was found at her home.

The articles that said 'in the car' said it was said on the Today show on Tuesday (I don't even want to link the articles) I listened to it last night, I heard no reference to 'in her car'.

Link to the today show if anyone wants to take the time to listen to it lol

law and crime video posted here upthread yesterday has MIke King of profiling evil stating her phone was in her car. made me listen twice bc of that.

Just a lot of conflicting info JMO
 
  • #8,788
before this has everyone chasing their tail and we go in circles again.... I think the phone being found in her car is NOT correct.

Her phone was found at her home.

The articles that said 'in the car' said it was said on the Today show on Tuesday (I don't even want to link the articles) I listened to it last night, I heard no reference to 'in her car'.

Link to the today show if anyone wants to take the time to listen to it lol

I agree with you in that most articles do not say it was found “in the car”, but just throwing this thought out there 😝
I consider the garage of a home part of the home, so “found at her home” might still fit since the car was inside the garage, afaik.
Maybe that’s just me, jmo.
 
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  • #8,789
It must be a very difficult decision! One can never know what they would do if put in the position the Guthries are in… but if the ask is 7 mil, and I can say ok, it’s one year salary for us- is that worth it? If I have 10-15 more earning years to make it up I think I would take the gamble. If Nancy is returned it is no doubt worth it! Either way, I would trust the authorities will do all they can to apprehend the ransomers.
And if she is not? I would not want to cater to such horrific evil. Unless i was given solid proof, as in bring her right to a designated spot in person. And even then I would need the fbi to get the money back. I hope it is not a choice they would have to make. It kind of reminds me of the wizard of oz where he was all powerful making demands until Dorothy finally discovered he was just a man behind a wall. Hope LE can bring this or these cowards out soon. Moo
 
  • #8,790
Did Nancy normally take Ubers to her daughter's house? They don't live too far away. Could have the lights/cameras been damaged between the time she left and time she arrived home? Finally, and while I am sure she is a very independent woman, I wonder why she was actually living alone considering how very frail she was according to her family- not that it makes a difference now but a thought I wonder with this.
 
  • #8,791
Can't find it now, but a poster up thread said they can tell how long it's been there; darker color would indicate longer time.

I stated that but let me be clear that I am not claiming to be a blood pattern expert by any means. I am just a lay person whose knowledge of the topic comes from being interested in true crime.

Travis Alexander was killed June 4, 2008, his body was discovered five days later on June 9, 2008 and his blood had turned black at that point. Nancy's blood on the porch was still red days after the crime scene was first released.
 
  • #8,792
agree - I have no respect for AB leaking this info AT ALL unless its sanctioned by LE which it appears it is not but who knows.
I am just relaying what is happening on that front.

AB is not one of my trusted go to people - nor is her friend MegKelly.

JMO
I've watched a few YouTube videos today with commentators who say that they are friends with SG and then leaking information about the investigation, potentially involving her family members.

I don't think that would sit well with me if I were SG. But I guess it's very difficult when personal relationships intersect with professional roles.
 
  • #8,793
Unusual case, so more of my unusual thoughts dumped here: im looking inside the family dynamic here for this scenario. 1) How often was family game night or hang out? Was that a routine occurrence? Was it special occasion? I would look toward any details to suggest this was either 100% routine family pattern or something unusual. Why? If totally out of norm, could point to some sort of "stage setting" story line for a variety of reasons. 2) Let's say im a family member in the will. I cant wait 5-10 more years for you to die, I have urgent financial (Fargo) type needs now. I have already murdered you and I know you will be found at some later date after decomposition. That will line up with my story that you missed a deadline and I murdered her. Now, as the family member murderer, I never needed the bitcoin. I just need the life insurance and estate payday. The bitcoin address i gave i found online after researching unused but coin addresses and I never had any intention of collecting it. It was just part of a plot to throw everyone off and who cares if my rich sil put the amount in the bitcoin? Im getting an insurance and estate payday which could be a lot for an average American salaried worker. I imagine NG has a net worth of several million with her home and nest egg, life insurance amount could be upward of $1 million as well. To a desperate relative in a will could sound like a lot. Fargo mindset individual.
i don't understand where people are getting that NG was worth millions? yes her home was valued at a million... but it wasn't purchased at that....
 
  • #8,794
Seems very weird. Either the sheriff is incompetent or deliberately misleading. We do know there was a no-confidence vote for the sheriff.

JMOO---How corrupt could this sheriff be? Could there be involvement? Just missing cameras, not processing the scene correctly, releasing the scene too early---seems to be oddly strange to me. Diliberately done? IDK Just throwing out theories.

Not corrupt, just inept. Hope evidence isn’t thrown out at court case.
JMO
 
  • #8,795
As many white vans that are witnessed in crimes, you’d really think we’d have a lot less unsolved crimes in this country. Just look for the white van! 🤣

Eta: Yes i’m well aware it’s the most common vehicle known to man. Just a bit of levity
Oh gosh, they even taught us about watching out for white vans without windows in the 80’s… to this day i’m still weary!
 
  • #8,796
I still don't believe it's a kidnapping for ransom and I still think it's people close to the victim. But if I'm wrong and it's a kidnapping, it's her only option to be alive. I still don't understand the situation with the church, because I read that she hasn't been going to church since Covid.
 
  • #8,797
@missy1974 Thank you for the "phone in the car/home. I saw that this morning and I thought we had info that the phone was found in the home when they went in Sunday. I went back to page one looking and the MSM that was posted back then are updated so I couldn't find anything. So just to clarify, the phone was found on Sunday not last night correct?
 
  • #8,798
Apropos of a number of posts saying they would "push the button" or some such to send the money, as if it's an easy decision: It is much easier for us here, with a theoretical missing loved one and theoretical millions, to say what we'd do, than it is for someone with a real missing loved one and real millions, getting advice from the FBI and weighing the dangers of giving bad guys a roadmap to free millions (if the ransom notes are hoaxes), to actually push that button.
 
  • #8,799
Her apple watch would it know when she removed it to charge? Right
Like her heart rate graph and steps taken ?

Cameras no subscription so maybe security was not her 1st thought
So why was only one missing? a battery one? how could they know it was removed at 1:58? is there a log?

Front door had two locks. was it unlocked? Keys found?

Blood not smeared by walking thru it not sure why how unless she was hit after leaving ? why was she hurt?

And 1st note said no more communication would be sent. why send another note yesterday before Mondays deadline.

In BE video there was one lawn light uprooted in front of her home? still wondering when that happened .
 
  • #8,800
Could it be that the whole situation was a lot longer? That something happened over the dinner time and we are focused on just the late night return to the house? IF it was the family, that opens up the time frame significantly.
Just trying to think outside of the box. I have no real theory, this case has thrown me for a loop for sure.

Of course, just my (current) opinion.
Why would Nancy want her SIL to drive her home then if something argumentative in nature occurred while she was at their house. I’d have then asked my daughter to drive me. Not seeing this family involvement at all in this. . Also MOO
 
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