AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[emigrate]

Can a person even move 7 milion around in less than a week with how much control the government now has on our banking? Heck I think if you play around with a measly 10 thousand you have to fill out forms. Maybe wealthy people are looked at differently and can move large amounts faster than some of us "little guys"? I just couldn't figure out how a kidnapper thinks you can just go into a bank and get 7 million or move 7 million into bitcoin in a couple days. Can it be done if they wanted it done?

 

[jepop]

words used matter. and she's a writer. i asked my husband if someone wrote a white was collected what does that mean and he said that LE had it. words have meanings.

Yeah the word collected means just that - collected. I'm just going to wait to see if op will verify or whether it may be a mistake or a misunderstanding, wrong source or whatever. Not taking it as a given. Moo

 

[shadowsc]

JMO - The FBI isn't a good ole' boy network using 35 year old profiling studies by far. They have continuously updated their methodologies and cutting edge technologies along with the rest of the world, if not ahead of them. They developed CODIS, AFIS way back when, and they're the lead Federal Agency in Cyber Security, Terrorism, etc.

The FBI has been instrumental in Genetic Genealogy Testing working with LE in conjunction with the forefront leaders like Othram and Parabon. The Golden State Killer was the first big break in GG, and the latest one I can think of off the top of my head was the Idaho Murderer who killed 4 College Students. Many, many old cold cases have been solved as well.

MOO

I think this was just in the context of how SG used the "Talk to her and you'll see" line from Silence of the Lambs in the family's first video response to the possible abductors. The thought amongst talking heads was wondering if it was either a coded message to kidnappers, or that SG was advised to use that line by the FBI.

And that if FBI advised it, it may have come from their profiling studies that they used way back in 1991 when the FBI consulted on the Silence of the Lambs movie script. Meaning they had advised using it in the movie script and advised it again to the Guthrie family in an attempt to humanize. (Not so much that the FBI hasn't updated their profiling in 35 years, just that they still thought that kind of phrase might be effective, etc.)

 

[diggndeeperstill]

SO -- I've waited before making any comment because I felt we were all rushing to judgement. It's a human reaction to pin the crime on one of the nearest relatives, but it can also backfire. I know Savannah personally, and the last thing I want to do is bring more pain to the Guthrie family. Imagine if your mom was abducted and the public was pointing the finger at you. The sting would be that much greater. All that said, as of this AM, they have collected the elusive white van and as you all know, a second note was sent to KOLD yesterday which has been verified as coming from the same encrypted server. This note apparently made contact with the family, responding to the videos made by Savannah and her siblings. We now have President Trump indicating that officials are close to identifying the abductor or abductors. The horrible thing now, of course, is that we have no proof of life. I PRAY that Nancy is alive after being without her meds for 7 days. It is totally possible. Let's remember that. In fact, billboards are now being put up in AZ and surrounding states asking for the public's help. The hard question now is: WOULD YOU HIT SEND to give millions in crypto to this abductor before the deadline on Monday? If no one is caught this weekend, Savannah will be struggling with the possibility that non-payment could mean death for her mom... MY HEART IS BREAKING FOR HER...

Yes, even behind a VPN you are only masking your host IP address. Any digital photos, videos,let could create new digital fingerprints. Unless these people were cyber pros like at a nation state level and knew how to scrub everything. Then we are talking about whole new level of cyberware in America. For example North Korea does a lot of cyberware against America in regards of crypto theft against Americans. Billions. Look it up. But I mean only a high level nation state actor could scrub all the bits and pieces and for example even when north korea does steal crypto from an American we still know they did it. And thats behind vpn and everything else. So, if these folks really do have a digital trail, it will take them down trust me.

If I understand correctly, a lot of the 'tracing' problems comes in when they use countries that don't cooperate though, right? That is when they hit the dead ends?

Thanks for the info!!!! I appreciate it!

1. Would I give the crypto without proof of life?
Depends on demand amount. Smaller number, possibly if FBI tell me it would make it easier to apprehend this person by tracing wallet movement after receiving the crypto. However, I would have a real concern about what one crypto payoff means for future kidnapping attempts. I can only imagine the stress that decision is causing- which I believe is the “thrill” for this ransom asker of which I’m not even sure is the kidnapper for lack of a better word right now.

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[CHEL]

You can follow a conversation if you click the up-arrow on any thread. That helps people make sense of things said when people are quoting posts.

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Yes… I know that but a thumb on the ground is a little far fetched of a guess which is why I asked.

 

[tricia]

HEY LOOK AT THIS VIDEO - IT'S 90 SECONDS. IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THIS YET, PLEASE WATCH! I NEED THE ATTENTION. I'M DESPERATE!!!

 

[allboys]

There was blood involved here, and I've been confused because if they do have a suspect, then her blood should be in the car.

Perhaps though, it was the wrong car.

But that too of course.

As far as blood being in the car, when Patrick Frazee murdered Kelsey Berreth, no blood was ever found in his car. (He carried her out in a tote). Terrible case to be remembering. I can imagine scenarios where blood might not be found in a car, even if a victim is bleeding.

 

[LAborn]

Can a person even move 7 milion around in less than a week with how much control the government now has on our banking? Heck I think if you play around with a measly 10 thousand you have to fill out forms. Maybe wealthy people are looked at differently and can move large amounts faster than some of us "little guys"? I just couldn't figure out how a kidnapper thinks you can just go into a bank and get 7 million or move 7 million into bitcoin in a couple days. Can it be done if they wanted it done?

Part of the appeal of bitcoin for some is that it bypasses all that. As far as the family paying it, if they have it, the transaction wouldn't be tough.

 

[jillybean51]

Thanks for pointing this out! The timeline released by PCSO says the camera detected a "person" but Nanos did note in a follow-up question at the presser that it is possible an animal triggered the alert, so I've updated the timeline to clarify that.

Perhaps even Nancy going to answer the door?

 

[SlimPickens]

Huh? AJ: "As of this morning they have collected the white van" is totally different representation than "neighbors reported seeing a white van" Why is this so hard?

Can we just get a link? At the very least, there is certainly nothing wrong with posters requesting one. Stop beating people up who just want verified facts.

And your statements re: DT are just your opinion. If you don't mind, please follow WS rules: unless you have a link to support what you are claiming to be fact, please indicate that it is just your opinion (IMO, MOO, JMO). TIA

Jmo

I think the best course here would be to assume AJ is telling the truth and that she will return later to confirm, or if she misspoke, to clarify.

So assuming it is true, what does the retention of a white van by LE, with our understanding that a neighbor of NG reported a suspicious white van in the neighborhood, suggest?

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

There is a driveway that leads to the right side of the house where the garage is. Like most homes you can drive right up to the garage door. Nancy could have been let out of the car right near the garage door. She would then only need to walk a little ways to get inside of her garage, turn around and wave her SIL off, and then close the door. This taking a couple to a handful of minutes to achieve is doable.

True...I'm just thinking what my husband would do for my mother. Perhaps, NG was fiercely independent and didn't want to be treated as elderly and as an invalid??

JMO.

 

[Starkville]

Yeah the word collected means just that - collected. I'm just going to wait to see if op will verify or whether it may be a mistake or a misunderstanding, wrong source or whatever. Not taking it as a given. Moo

“Collected”, IMO is an odd choice. I’d expect “seized”, “impounded”.

Did she mean “collected into evidence”? I wonder if AJ was using shorthand for that term. Hmm. Time will tell.

 

[missy1974]

the broken light beside the backdoor is now gone too.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2020177103258522104

 

[korncrasy]

Is there any way to get the distance from her car in the garage to her bedroom where the Apple charger is? Would it still pick up if it is located in the car?

Something that has been bothering me this morning and very possible someone one has mentioned it in the many pages of this thread. During the instagram video of the siblings, when SG was talking about NG's need for medications, she said: "She lives in constant pain. She is without any medicine. She needs it to survive. She needs it not to suffer." This was curious to me and very intentional sounding. Does NG take pain medication? Does someone in her orbit know this (family, caretakers, groundkeepers, etc)? I know there have been (unverified) rumors of a family member having a possible addiction problem (again - unverified!). It would not surprise me if this ended up having to do with drugs.

I agree.

 

[KrisCo16]

I just don't see NG walking into her home and getting inside in the matter of two minutes unless she was using a "hurry cane," and Tommaso dropped her off and peeled wheels out of there...

IOW, this just doesn't make common sense to me. Anyone--unless you hate your MIL--is respectful and helpful. You are going to stop the car, open the garage door, walk her in at her pace, open the other door leading to the home (which might require a key??), go inside with her, ask her if there is anything that you can do for her before you leave...All that requires more than two minutes.

JMO.

Granted, I’m not 84, but this is a level of assistance I absolutely would not want from anyone, especially at 9:45 at night. Drop me in my driveway, watch me type in the code to get into my garage, wait for me to make it to the house door and wait until the garage shuts. Two minutes is plenty of time. My MIL is close to NG’s age and walks with a cane - this is also what she would want, and could certainly make it across the span of the garage in two minutes. NG is not helpless, and probably values her independence.

 

[*LD*]

Is there any proof that NG ever arrived home that night or do the sensors and alerts only prove that someone was there?

 

[emigrate]

Part of the appeal of bitcoin for some is that it bypasses all that. As far as the family paying it, if they have it, the transaction wouldn't be tough.

thank you!

 

[moonbeams]

Did Nancy normally take Ubers to her daughter's house? They don't live too far away. Could have the lights/cameras been damaged between the time she left and time she arrived home? Finally, and while I am sure she is a very independent woman, I wonder why she was actually living alone considering how very frail she was according to her family- not that it makes a difference now but a thought I wonder with this.

my mother lived alone at 87 and was very frail

 

[WillenFan21]

HEY LOOK AT THIS VIDEO - IT'S 90 SECONDS. IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THIS YET, PLEASE WATCH! I NEED THE ATTENTION. I'M DESPERATE!!!

Thank you!!!

 

[SMK777]

The more I think about the kidnappers not providing proof of life, the more it seems to me that the kidnapping for ransom was likely a ruse to purposely misdirect the investigation.

IMO: Sad to say but NG may well have been killed in the initial hour and everything else has been a panicked coverup.

Don't know if others are feeling this as well; but isn't this ransom/proof of life scenario being stalled like this a bit strange?