Great question!Unidentified to us or unidentified to them?
Great question!Unidentified to us or unidentified to them?
Sil - son in law.SIL is sister-in-law. BIL is brother-in-law.
What SIL are people referring to? AG is SG's sister, not sister-in-law.
Makes me wonder more about being followed/stalking her movementsInteresting "between the two Guthrie homes". Why not "around Nancy's home" unless both homes are involved in some way? MOO
Has the description been released?
That's interesting that a neighbor who had been watching some drone search footage noticed that NG's roof looked pretty clean and that she told LE that she thought NG had resurfaced her roof lately and that maybe they should look into the people who redid the roof. Just as a possibility, since LE were asking about any work that may have been done on her property lately. Very observant neighbor and trying to help find NG.
Son in law.SIL is sister-in-law. BIL is brother-in-law.
What SIL are people referring to? AG is SG's sister, not sister-in-law.
Nancy's Son-in-law ?SIL is sister-in-law. BIL is brother-in-law.
What SIL are people referring to? AG is SG's sister, not sister-in-law.
So we either have:
1) someone in the family, most likely SIL and/or Annie motivated by some kind of financial gain that they hoped to gain from her passing, and the ransom stuff is just someone trying to capitalize on the situation. Or I suppose the responsible family member(s) could have orchestrated the ransom hoax as a distraction.
2) an actual professional kidnapper who has experience doing this and saw NG as a good target (at least in part because SG wealth).
3) someone not in the inner circle, but someone who is familiar with NG and her house and was in her extended circle somehow. Either a lawn guy, an electrician, a pool guy, etc. that knew who she was, knew who her daughter was, and hatched some half baked plan to either rob her, kidnap her, murder her, etc and then sloppily executed it. The motive here would be money as well in the form of ransom.
4) some deranged politically motivated person who disagreed with SG or felt slighted by SG somehow and was interpreting her on TV from his basement and decided to lash out in this way. Similar to a politically motivated mass shooter or incel type.
5) I hesitate to even write this, but a sexually motivated rapist, murderer, kidnapper who saw her, stalker her and executed a plan on her that night. You wouldn’t think that this would happen to an 84 yo but sadly it does.
Taking everything we know currently into account, I would rank them 1,3,4,2,5.
What say you, WS?
Thank you for your explanation, it’s helpful to hear another persons perspective.In my opinion no she won't. Yeah she might lose a little popularity points but she carefully phrased it as "MAY be a prime suspect AT THIS TIME". That statement may be true based on technicalities. Before any leads LE most likely looked at the family first then ruled them out and followed other clues.
JMO
Correct. We’ve never had a landscaper at our house. These neighborhoods prioritize natural desert plants and they don’t require as much upkeep as a yard would back east.Based on her landscape, I don't know if it was weekly. It looks like she has astroturf in the back. Hence there is no mowing. We don't mow very often at our house. We have turf on the side, but it grows really slow because we're always under water restrictions. We do everything ourselves, which is a hedge trimmer no more than twice a year. (We cut our mowing to once a month due to a three year drought) However, some xeriscapes are trimmed more frequently to keep them looky tidy. The fact that her lantana is short indicates that she may have quarterly timming. But I think weekly would really be too much for a natural style landscape.
Yes.So we either have:
1) someone in the family, most likely SIL and/or Annie motivated by some kind of financial gain that they hoped to gain from her passing, and the ransom stuff is just someone trying to capitalize on the situation. Or I suppose the responsible family member(s) could have orchestrated the ransom hoax as a distraction.
2) an actual professional kidnapper who has experience doing this and saw NG as a good target (at least in part because SG wealth).
3) someone not in the inner circle, but someone who is familiar with NG and her house and was in her extended circle somehow. Either a lawn guy, an electrician, a pool guy, etc. that knew who she was, knew who her daughter was, and hatched some half baked plan to either rob her, kidnap her, murder her, etc and then sloppily executed it. The motive here would be money as well in the form of ransom.
4) some deranged politically motivated person who disagreed with SG or felt slighted by SG somehow and was interpreting her on TV from his basement and decided to lash out in this way. Similar to a politically motivated mass shooter or incel type.
5) I hesitate to even write this, but a sexually motivated rapist, murderer, kidnapper who saw her, stalker her and executed a plan on her that night. You wouldn’t think that this would happen to an 84 yo but sadly it does.
Taking everything we know currently into account, I would rank them 1,3,4,2,5.
What say you, WS?
So we either have:
1) someone in the family, most likely SIL and/or Annie motivated by some kind of financial gain that they hoped to gain from her passing, and the ransom stuff is just someone trying to capitalize on the situation. Or I suppose the responsible family member(s) could have orchestrated the ransom hoax as a distraction.
2) an actual professional kidnapper who has experience doing this and saw NG as a good target (at least in part because SG wealth).
3) someone not in the inner circle, but someone who is familiar with NG and her house and was in her extended circle somehow. Either a lawn guy, an electrician, a pool guy, etc. that knew who she was, knew who her daughter was, and hatched some half baked plan to either rob her, kidnap her, murder her, etc and then sloppily executed it. The motive here would be money as well in the form of ransom.
4) some deranged politically motivated person who disagreed with SG or felt slighted by SG somehow and was interpreting her on TV from his basement and decided to lash out in this way. Similar to a politically motivated mass shooter or incel type.
5) I hesitate to even write this, but a sexually motivated rapist, murderer, kidnapper who saw her, stalker her and executed a plan on her that night. You wouldn’t think that this would happen to an 84 yo but sadly it does.
Taking everything we know currently into account, I would rank them 1,3,4,2,5.
What say you, WS?
Who is MK? Marie Kondo?I think MK is the worst offender. She has been covering this story relentlessly
I'd add that it is possible AB is completely correct, but the "noise" and stories about the Guthrie family considering legal action is because she has prejudiced the live investigation by leaking this information.
Got it. Brain activity low. Sorry.Son in law.
Megan kellyWho is MK? Marie Kondo?
I'm guessing Megyn Kelly.Who is MK? Marie Kondo?
Interesting. You must be fairly local to this area? I am not. I do have several relatives that live in Phoenix, who are in their late 80’s, and in excellent physical health compared to NG. They no longer do any landscaping maintenance, but will walk several miles in the early morning. The landscape service regularly blows due to the debris and dust from the desert conditions. I’m told it’s a constant battleBased on her landscape, I don't know if it was weekly. It looks like she has astroturf in the back. Hence there is no mowing. We don't mow very often at our house. We have turf on the side, but it grows really slow because we're always under water restrictions. We do everything ourselves, which is a hedge trimmer no more than twice a year. (We cut our mowing to once a month due to a three year drought) However, some xeriscapes are trimmed more frequently to keep them looky tidy. The fact that her lantana is short indicates that she may have quarterly timming. But I think weekly would really be too much for a natural style landscape.
Can’t say if it’s the same place but there is a convenience store on oracle road where there is a gas station that also has a drive thru Dairy Queen and maybe a domino’s as well, can’t recall offhand.
My ring (brand) camera is set for a 20 ft distance, I live rural with a highway 50ft from my house. If I set it to pick up longer distances, it would be alerting on every car.Looking at the neighborhood on goo maps, the homes are somewhat hidden from the streets, all have curved driveways, so I'm assuming that even if homeowners have cameras, they probably can't even pick up cars driving by.