Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[cady]

Kind of off topic but I happened to do some work for the mother of a very famous music mogul almost 20 years ago. She had moved back to her hometown for about a year or so. I got the feeling she was either famous or connected to someone famous. But she didn't divulge that information until I point blank asked. All that to say sometimes family members of famous people don't talk about it unless they trust the person they tell.
I just can't figure this all out

I hear you, but probably close to everyone in Tucson knows who SG is, and she grew up there, so they know who Mom is.

 

[Lyanna]

I don't find the call strange at all. I'm assuming someone called NG to check on her and when she didn't pick up the phone, they were rightly concerned.

Now, it might turn out not to be legit, but unless we hear otherwise, I don't find the call from church friends strange in the slightest. I'm guessing she was a member of the congregation for decades, not just some casual aquaintence people nod to on Sunday.

jmopinion

Don’t find it strange either, could be an arranged regular phone call, arranged at the same time every week - my mam does this, also in her 80’s, rings her friend of 57 yrs, same time, same night every week unless they’ve arranged a different day/time cos they’ve made plans for the usual night. Perhaps Nancy and some of her church friends do something similar after the service each week

jmo

 

[Stunned]

I've lurked around and researched old threads on here for awhile but I've never been able to jump on WHILE a case was unfolding.

This is a wild situation. Personally, I'm starting to think the ransom/kidnapping & disappearance are two different crimes being committed, with the ransom for a kidnap return just being someone attempting to take a really unsavory advantage of a sad situation.

Something I saw mentioned a ways back, who knows how far, but sexual assaults on elderly women do happen more than we'd like to think they would. Elderly women don't strike people as "sexually appealing" but we know rape isn't about sex, it's a violent crime of power. For someone who maybe has not previously acted on their desire, an 84 year old woman with a pacemaker and mobility issues is a bit of a "wounded gazelle" in terms of potential victims. Not saying that this is the case here, obviously JMOO but a beginner predator who perhaps had previously encountered NG (whether tangentially known as someone who worked on the home or for NG) may have entered with one crime in mind, a sexual assault, and the next thing you know, between being off balance and blood thinners, bad heart, etc. suddenly someone is deceased...it would not shock me at this point. But the timing of that first ransom demand, the repeat with no new demands, and then ultimately sending it to TMZ? I think that may truly be a different sicko taking advantage of a sad situation.

Excellent first post! Welcome!

 

[Napoli]

News says she went to Annie's house via uber and uber driver has been interviewed. My question is Trump's remarks last night. He said in part" im not talking about search. I'm talking about a solution." I don't think, just by the look on his face, he's thinking she's alive. I do wonder if there is going to be an exotic twist here because something is waaaayyyy off.

 

[EightiesBoo]

I really think Occam‘s razor will be the scenario. Someone pounds on her door just after 2am, no camera is recording. She opens because she’s a sweet older women wanting to help. They think they can get money from her, they take her but it just ends up being too much for them to handle. She’s either still with them and struggling and they are freaking out because they know they’re screwed or she’s passed…and they are still freaking out. Probably a single person that the lifestyle change isn’t noticed.
JMO

 

[Laura Avery]

That's a good point - if they took her out the front would they really have taken the time to lock the door? Was Nancy just standing there while they did that? I mean, I can't really picture that would be a priority.

Strange right? So they must have had keys, but they why break in the back..To make it look like a robbery? I wonder if they checked to see if it was broken from the inside or out. I guess they have a lot of info they are not ready to release,

 

[bestill]

Follow the exercise and see what result you get.

I used GROK, I can't find your original post -

https://x.com/i/grok/share/663c16e4a9244a0b83e1b03a662a8619

 

[Charlot123]

Your guess is as good as mine. Why not all 3 stations? or why not KVOA, the local NBC affiliate that she worked for when she lived here? We all know something is weird and something isn't right of course, but it's just....totally bizarre to me

If something is bizarre, maybe the goal is unusual. Bizarre means, "not thinking logically", like most people would. Or "the goal being different, even illogical". Or "the person has not achieved the goal yet, and NG's abduction was just the means".

So we discussed the following goals:

- ransom. Yes, a very successful daughter (and the other kids are no losers).

- money (robbery gone wrong) - what i thought happened

- inheritance (not immediate and IMO, unreasonable

- maybe something sexual, ugly as it may seem?

- or weird political goal?

This is what we thought of.

But "lack of logic" can mean, there is something we are not factoring in as a goal

(We have another case, the Tepe's one, in Columbusis, equally bizarre. Who'd think of such a weirdo for an ex?)

So here in NG case:

- What if it is someone from distant past trying to gain someone's attention?

Let us see what the abductor has achieved:

- SG did not cover the Olympics. Could be a worthy goal for someone

- more important IMO: all three kids of NG are in AZ. Did one of them have an obsessed ex 40 years ago?

- the country's attention is distracted from what is going in other parts

- maybe even the Olympic games are not followed that much?

- What is constantly repeating itself: attention to cryptocurrency. Advertising or anti-advertising, I can't understand now, but: we are unsure of NG's fate, of who was involved, but we hear about cryptocurrency daily.

Who profits?

 

[Laura Avery]

I really think Occam‘s razor will be the scenario. Someone pounds on her door just after 2am, no camera is recording. She opens because she’s a sweet older women wanting to help. They think they can get money from her, they take her but it just ends up being too much for them to handle. She’s either still with them and struggling and they are freaking out because they know they’re screwed or she’s passed…and they are still freaking out. Probably a single person that the lifestyle change isn’t noticed.
JMO

Oh you know I never thought of her opening the front door, once inside, but then it's seemingly locked again.

 

[October]

Curious, has this been reported that the house is in a revocable trust (source)? TY

The house is in a revocable trust, as indicated on the Pima County Assessor’s site.

 

[Moonchime]

Would I hit send? Let me first say, this is hard for anyone to really say unless you’re actually in this situation. For us, the money and the situation isn’t real, so we can more easily say we’d do this or we’d do that. I’ll tell you what I think I’d do, but I know, for Savannah, the decision won’t be so easy.

Now, to answer the question. I wish I knew how much they were asking for and what Savannah’s net worth is. Does she even have as much as they’re requesting?

For this purpose, let’s assume they want $30M and her net worth is $40M.

Maybe in a public statement today, she could try to negotiate? Offer them $20M and plead for the return of her Mom in exchange.

Hope for a response tomorrow (maybe during the Super Bowl?). If they agree, pay the $20M. If they don’t agree (or respond), wait until Monday morning, and (assuming FBI or Nanos have no chance of immediately finding Nancy) pay the entire $30M.

I think this is how I would handle it. I would NOT request proof of life, as I don’t believe they’re going to send any kind of photograph or other evidence that could be traced.

You’ll just have to be comfortable you made this decision knowing the possible outcomes:
1) it’s a complete scam and you lost most of your life’s savings;
2) you may get your Mom back in very poor condition or worse, or;
3) the amazing chance you’ll be reunited with your Mom, who is alive but will need time to heal physically and emotionally.

Speaking as a mother, and if the tables were turned with Nancy having to make this decision for Savannah, I feel like she would pay what they’re asking. No matter the outcome.

I think it’s important to ask—what is the choice, in the end, I can live with for the rest of my life? For me, (while it might suck!) the loss of money would always be worth the chance to have my mother.

Again, no matter what Savannah chooses, I know it’ll be the right one for her and her family. None of us know nearly enough of the situation to truly be giving any advice or opinion on this. But, here I am, giving my two cents. SENDING SAVANNAH AND HER ENTIRE FAMILY ALL THE LOVE, STRENGTH, CLARITY, AND LIGHT DURING THIS TIM

Latest from Vinnie Politan of Court TV. posted approx 3 hours ago. Per Vinnie, a new roof camera discovered at Nancy's home: WTH? Link here: Vinnie Politan Court TV

Hopefully, there's something helpful on the camera. Fingers Crossed.

 

[birdbox]

I just checked the Pima County assessor website, and the house is listed under a name that strongly suggests it is a revocable trust. I can't link directly to the source because the assessor site does not provide an obvious way to link to a single record, but anyone who wishes to verify can do so very easily on their own.

Very smart and on many cases when house is in a trust, its tied to their overall estate. There is a trustee and all assets are left to the trust. Then people designated in the trust receive payout and many conditions of the estate and trust can be setup. In my experience, so please dont attack, only people like with larger assets do trusts and estates, leaving homes as part of estate. In my experience in the world folks.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

I've lurked around and researched old threads on here for awhile but I've never been able to jump on WHILE a case was unfolding.

This is a wild situation. Personally, I'm starting to think the ransom/kidnapping & disappearance are two different crimes being committed, with the ransom for a kidnap return just being someone attempting to take a really unsavory advantage of a sad situation.

Something I saw mentioned a ways back, who knows how far, but sexual assaults on elderly women do happen more than we'd like to think they would. Elderly women don't strike people as "sexually appealing" but we know rape isn't about sex, it's a violent crime of power. For someone who maybe has not previously acted on their desire, an 84 year old woman with a pacemaker and mobility issues is a bit of a "wounded gazelle" in terms of potential victims. Not saying that this is the case here, obviously JMOO but a beginner predator who perhaps had previously encountered NG (whether tangentially known as someone who worked on the home or for NG) may have entered with one crime in mind, a sexual assault, and the next thing you know, between being off balance and blood thinners, bad heart, etc. suddenly someone is deceased...it would not shock me at this point. But the timing of that first ransom demand, the repeat with no new demands, and then ultimately sending it to TMZ? I think that may truly be a different sicko taking advantage of a sad situation.

I totally agree, I think the ransom is a separate crime.

 

[Sadi]

It's possible that the car was taken to pull data from the onboard computers that would confirm the route the car was driven when the FM took NG home and the route driven when the FM returned to the FM home. I forget from the Kaitlin Armstrong trial if the auto data also had the time along with the route she drove the night she murdered Mo Wilson but I think it did. I didn't know cars did that until that trial.

The timeline and distance the cars were driven would be able to give a general sense of places it traveled to. Maybe that’s another factor that’s already been studied and being searched?

 

[Aphrodite Jones]

First of all, I want to apologize for jumping the gun regarding the white van being found. I got that tip from a valued source this morning, but all these hours later, I went back to my source and the tip was walked back. Unfortunately, there's been a bungled investigation, calling to mind "shades of Jon Benet Ramsey" where misinformation ran rampant. In fact, it seems Donald Trump was also jumping the gun yesterday when he suggested that information from the FBI or DOJ "could come out soon," hinting that a suspect had been identified. That comment was made over 18 hours ago, with no follow up -- yet. All of this leaves us in the dark, hoping that sophisticated FBI devices will be able to identify Nancy's abductor.

LET ME ADD THIS: Savannah is a person of faith who has total belief in the power of prayer. In fact, in 2024, she published a bestseller titled "Mostly What God Does," describing how her faith helped her during the most difficult times in her life. OF COURSE she and her family are praying and believing that Nancy is alive, and why would anyone want to squelch that hope?

At the same time, the intense focus on this case, fueled by the combination of celebrity, crime, and mystery, has become a national obsession. We have not seen this much media coverage since the O.J. Simpson case, and it makes sense that the public wants to help. There ARE signs of forced entry into that house, and many of Nancy's neighbors fear there's a killer on the loose. And meantime, LET US PRAY.

 

[shonyakay]

I've never followed a case this complex, but I have followed countless cases. In doing so, it's easy for me to gauge where law enforcement is with an investigation.

Not only am I not seeing an indication that they are lost, but I'm seeing the opposite. We're not seeing all the things we usually see when that's the case.

Press conferences have become more sporadic, no regular press releases, and they're not asking for tips about vehicles or persons of interest.

I see a focused homicide case.

If this is the case, how devastating. Also if this is the case, I suppose the search for an unidentified male is to tie up loose ends to rule out a random male?

 

[Arkay]

I can see why someone would think that for sure, but I can also see that it's as likely that she is media shy and uncomfortable in those types of settings, particularly under these circumstances. Lots of folks have scrutinized and commented on her breathing and/or her blinking in the first video, but I attribute it more to "fish out of water" behavior myself.

JMO.

IMO, as she has lived a private life until this terror, I can see the “fish out of water” aspect.

That’s in conjunction with what must be panic, as well as people eyeballing her husband, her not accustomed to being on TV, or any number of innocent reasons.

It’s her mother, too, and this must all be excruciating for her. Unless and until LE says her husband is a suspect, I give her all grace to comport herself in any way.

JMO

 

[HoveringWombats]

The house is in a revocable trust, as indicated on the Pima County Assessor’s site.

Sorry if this is off topic, but I almost posted a screenshot then wasn't sure if it was allowed because it includes the address. Is there a clear rule on that? I've obviously been a member here for a long time but I don't post very much (until recently was busy with career) so I am not sure on some of these things.

 

[cady]

News says she went to Annie's house via uber and uber driver has been interviewed. My question is Trump's remarks last night. He said in part" im not talking about search. I'm talking about a solution." I don't think, just by the look on his face, he's thinking she's alive. I do wonder if there is going to be an exotic twist here because something is waaaayyyy off.

The implication is that there is no more "search" needed. So, does that mean that an arrest is imminent or what on earth does it mean? And if this is "solved", then what's the delay?

 

[EJB123456]

So I work in this area and odds are (with SG's knowledge/wealth and NG's wealth and age) NG may have a trust, not a will. A will is basic and has to go through probate, a time-consuming, expensive, public process. A trust would manage more assets, do so privately, and can set things up financially for grandkids, charities, etc. People would still be beneciaries and get money when she passed away. It would also manage the money that NG lives on and protect it in case nursing home care is needed, etc. But it would all be managed by a trustee. A trustee can be a family member, friend, or a bank/corporation. How this factors into a financial motive may still be the same as if it were a will. I just wanted to clarify in case it matters!

I can tell you definitively she has a trust because it owns the home.