AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[birdbox]

I just checked the Pima County assessor website, and the house is listed under a name that strongly suggests it is a revocable trust. I can't link directly to the source because the assessor site does not provide an obvious way to link to a single record, but anyone who wishes to verify can do so very easily on their own.

Very smart and on many cases when house is in a trust, its tied to their overall estate. There is a trustee and all assets are left to the trust. Then people designated in the trust receive payout and many conditions of the estate and trust can be setup. In my experience, so please dont attack, only people like with larger assets do trusts and estates, leaving homes as part of estate. In my experience in the world folks.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

I've lurked around and researched old threads on here for awhile but I've never been able to jump on WHILE a case was unfolding.

This is a wild situation. Personally, I'm starting to think the ransom/kidnapping & disappearance are two different crimes being committed, with the ransom for a kidnap return just being someone attempting to take a really unsavory advantage of a sad situation.

Something I saw mentioned a ways back, who knows how far, but sexual assaults on elderly women do happen more than we'd like to think they would. Elderly women don't strike people as "sexually appealing" but we know rape isn't about sex, it's a violent crime of power. For someone who maybe has not previously acted on their desire, an 84 year old woman with a pacemaker and mobility issues is a bit of a "wounded gazelle" in terms of potential victims. Not saying that this is the case here, obviously JMOO but a beginner predator who perhaps had previously encountered NG (whether tangentially known as someone who worked on the home or for NG) may have entered with one crime in mind, a sexual assault, and the next thing you know, between being off balance and blood thinners, bad heart, etc. suddenly someone is deceased...it would not shock me at this point. But the timing of that first ransom demand, the repeat with no new demands, and then ultimately sending it to TMZ? I think that may truly be a different sicko taking advantage of a sad situation.

I totally agree, I think the ransom is a separate crime.

 

[Sadi]

It's possible that the car was taken to pull data from the onboard computers that would confirm the route the car was driven when the FM took NG home and the route driven when the FM returned to the FM home. I forget from the Kaitlin Armstrong trial if the auto data also had the time along with the route she drove the night she murdered Mo Wilson but I think it did. I didn't know cars did that until that trial.

The timeline and distance the cars were driven would be able to give a general sense of places it traveled to. Maybe that’s another factor that’s already been studied and being searched?

 

[Aphrodite Jones]

First of all, I want to apologize for jumping the gun regarding the white van being found. I got that tip from a valued source this morning, but all these hours later, I went back to my source and the tip was walked back. Unfortunately, there's been a bungled investigation, calling to mind "shades of Jon Benet Ramsey" where misinformation ran rampant. In fact, it seems Donald Trump was also jumping the gun yesterday when he suggested that information from the FBI or DOJ "could come out soon," hinting that a suspect had been identified. That comment was made over 18 hours ago, with no follow up -- yet. All of this leaves us in the dark, hoping that sophisticated FBI devices will be able to identify Nancy's abductor.

LET ME ADD THIS: Savannah is a person of faith who has total belief in the power of prayer. In fact, in 2024, she published a bestseller titled "Mostly What God Does," describing how her faith helped her during the most difficult times in her life. OF COURSE she and her family are praying and believing that Nancy is alive, and why would anyone want to squelch that hope?

At the same time, the intense focus on this case, fueled by the combination of celebrity, crime, and mystery, has become a national obsession. We have not seen this much media coverage since the O.J. Simpson case, and it makes sense that the public wants to help. There ARE signs of forced entry into that house, and many of Nancy's neighbors fear there's a killer on the loose. And meantime, LET US PRAY.

 

[shonyakay]

I've never followed a case this complex, but I have followed countless cases. In doing so, it's easy for me to gauge where law enforcement is with an investigation.

Not only am I not seeing an indication that they are lost, but I'm seeing the opposite. We're not seeing all the things we usually see when that's the case.

Press conferences have become more sporadic, no regular press releases, and they're not asking for tips about vehicles or persons of interest.

I see a focused homicide case.

If this is the case, how devastating. Also if this is the case, I suppose the search for an unidentified male is to tie up loose ends to rule out a random male?

 

[Arkay]

I can see why someone would think that for sure, but I can also see that it's as likely that she is media shy and uncomfortable in those types of settings, particularly under these circumstances. Lots of folks have scrutinized and commented on her breathing and/or her blinking in the first video, but I attribute it more to "fish out of water" behavior myself.

JMO.

IMO, as she has lived a private life until this terror, I can see the “fish out of water” aspect.

That’s in conjunction with what must be panic, as well as people eyeballing her husband, her not accustomed to being on TV, or any number of innocent reasons.

It’s her mother, too, and this must all be excruciating for her. Unless and until LE says her husband is a suspect, I give her all grace to comport herself in any way.

JMO

 

[HoveringWombats]

The house is in a revocable trust, as indicated on the Pima County Assessor’s site.

Sorry if this is off topic, but I almost posted a screenshot then wasn't sure if it was allowed because it includes the address. Is there a clear rule on that? I've obviously been a member here for a long time but I don't post very much (until recently was busy with career) so I am not sure on some of these things.

 

[cady]

News says she went to Annie's house via uber and uber driver has been interviewed. My question is Trump's remarks last night. He said in part" im not talking about search. I'm talking about a solution." I don't think, just by the look on his face, he's thinking she's alive. I do wonder if there is going to be an exotic twist here because something is waaaayyyy off.

The implication is that there is no more "search" needed. So, does that mean that an arrest is imminent or what on earth does it mean? And if this is "solved", then what's the delay?

 

[birdbox]

So not someone young. At least someone in their 30's, college educated, high IQ. Tech and finance skills. Also able to plan a kidnapping, and house the victim in way she cannot identify the kidnappers.

Grok, write me a ransom letter.

 

[EJB123456]

So I work in this area and odds are (with SG's knowledge/wealth and NG's wealth and age) NG may have a trust, not a will. A will is basic and has to go through probate, a time-consuming, expensive, public process. A trust would manage more assets, do so privately, and can set things up financially for grandkids, charities, etc. People would still be beneciaries and get money when she passed away. It would also manage the money that NG lives on and protect it in case nursing home care is needed, etc. But it would all be managed by a trustee. A trustee can be a family member, friend, or a bank/corporation. How this factors into a financial motive may still be the same as if it were a will. I just wanted to clarify in case it matters!

I can tell you definitively she has a trust because it owns the home.

 

[mikeshanty]

IMO, as she has lived a private life until this terror, I can see the “fish out of water” aspect.

That’s in conjunction to what must be panic, as well as people eyeballing her husband, her not accustomed to being on TV, or any number of innocent reasons.

It’s her mother too, and this must all be excruciating for her. Unless and until LE says her husband is a suspect, I give her all grace to comport herself in any way.

JMO

Honestly, as an investigator myself and trained to read for signs of credibility, AG came across as credible in her grief and sadness. I did not see any body language or other signifiers that would lead me to question her credibility. I do not suspect her of any involvement in this and I am willing to say that categorically now.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I'm wondering that flood light really was broken while the roof was being sealed. A bucket of sealant taking a wild swing into it could conceivably hit hard enough to break the brick. JMO

 

[Charlot123]

I mean, there is a particular news anchor who got shafted in 2012 by ML and SG took over from her, but that would be in the realm of fantasy to think she had anything to do with this

Not her. (If we are speaking about the same person, simply not the sharpest tool, sorry. No.) I think, someone who might work for AG. There is probably a group. The relationship with the boss can be always complex.

 

[flp]

I don't think the ransom is in the 10's of millions of dollars. If I had to guess I would say <5 million. The kidnappers (assuming this is a kidnapping) are going to ask for an amount that is large but not large enough to cause someone to think twice, they would ask for an amount that is very doable for the person, to me that would make the most sense.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

First of all, I want to apologize for jumping the gun regarding the white van being found. I got that tip from a valued source this morning, but all these hours later, I went back to my source and the tip was walked back. Unfortunately, there's been a bungled investigation, calling to mind "shades of Jon Benet Ramsey" where misinformation ran rampant. In fact, it seems Donald Trump was also jumping the gun yesterday when he suggested that information from the FBI or DOJ "could come out soon," hinting that a suspect had been identified. That comment was made over 18 hours ago, with no follow up -- yet. All of this leaves us in the dark, hoping that sophisticated FBI devices will be able to identify Nancy's abductor.

LET ME ADD THIS: Savannah is a person of faith who has total belief in the power of prayer. In fact, in 2024, she published a bestseller titled "Mostly What God Does," describing how her faith helped her during the most difficult times in her life. OF COURSE she and her family are praying and believing that Nancy is alive, and why would anyone want to squelch that hope?

At the same time, the intense focus on this case, fueled by the combination of celebrity, crime, and mystery, has become a national obsession. We have not seen this much media coverage since the O.J. Simpson case, and it makes sense that the public wants to help. There ARE signs of forced entry into that house, and many of Nancy's neighbors fear there's a killer on the loose. And meantime, LET US PRAY.

Where is the link to a forced entry? As the sheriff has reported to the media that they won't be disclosing this

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

So I work in this area and odds are (with SG's knowledge/wealth and NG's wealth and age) NG may have a trust, not a will. A will is basic and has to go through probate, a time-consuming, expensive, public process. A trust would manage more assets, do so privately, and can set things up financially for grandkids, charities, etc. People would still be beneciaries and get money when she passed away. It would also manage the money that NG lives on and protect it in case nursing home care is needed, etc. But it would all be managed by a trustee. A trustee can be a family member, friend, or a bank/corporation. How this factors into a financial motive may still be the same as if it were a will. I just wanted to clarify in case it matters!

Thank you for sharing this information. I can't keep up with this fast-moving discussion and haven't read any posts that refer to a Will/Trust. DH and I have had various Wills since we were in our 30s, but now that we are in our 70s, we have a Living Trust for the reasons that you outlined in your post. It was a costly endeavor but well worth the expense to know that our affairs are in order and that our wishes will be carried out with specific details.

 

[DizzyB]

Very smart and on many cases when house is in a trust, it’s tied to their overall estate. There is a trustee and all assets are left to the trust. Then people designated in the trust receive payout and many conditions of the estate and trust can be setup. In my experience, so please dont attack, only people like with larger assets do trusts and estates, leaving homes as part of estate. In my experience in the world folks.

A revocable trust, especially when it comes to a person’s house, is a smart move. For many, it’s their largest asset, and it has to be sold and the proceeds get paid to whatever nursing home you end up in, until you run out of money and you qualify for Medicaid. Nursing homes are crazy expensive, I’d rather the sale of my home go to my heirs. Five year look back period btw.

 

[Vegasgrl]

Now I'm thinking about the AG home. I don't recall if LE took evidence from their home? Did AG just allow it, or was there a warrant? They would likely have a security system too? Could be helpful in proof of timeline - when NG left the home and the driver returned. Do they have a cloud subscription? This could rule them out and quash rumors. Unless they're connected to perp and there was a conspiracy? If someone was falsely accusing me of a crime (even a strong implication that I was a "prime suspect"), I would consult with my attorney and publicly deny any part of a vicious implication that I was involved in a crime like this. I wouldn't want any time wasted focusing on me. They would not need a warrant for my car or home. Unless my lawyer strongly advised me not to.

 

[EJB123456]

Curious, has this been reported that the house is in a revocable trust (source)? TY

Pima county assessors website you can just search her name or address

 

[Stunned]

Wait…you’re supposed to clean your baseboards? And blinds? Oh.

Who knew!