• #10,701
Wouldn't ruling out mostly be conducted during daylight hours rather than late at night ??

I just read this:

Luminol requires near-total or complete darkness to be effective, as it produces a faint, short-lived (approx. 30 seconds) blue-white chemiluminescent glow upon reacting with the iron in hemoglobin.
 
  • #10,702
I've seen people on twitter floating the theory that she never made it home - but how does that square with the pacemaker syncing with the apple watch that was in her house.

I think the sign of someone else being in the house happened before the pacemaker synced with the apple watch - so that would seem to exclude the possibility that the pacemaker/watch sync happened elsewhere and the watch was then taken back to the home.

Then there is the issue of the blood outside - although it's not impossible that it got there at some other occasion. Does anyone know whether it's possible to determine how long a blood spatter has been somewhere?
Is it possible the Apple Watch was removed elsewhere and taken to the house?
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if the SIL being involved

I feel like the SIL potentially being involved and the ransom letters are completely unrelated. Ransom notes still seem like opportunistic bad characters trying to take advantage of the situation. Agents have been at AG's house several times now. First visit to AG's house agents were seen carrying in a Cellebrite case to collect and analyze digital data. Now they are taking photos and maybe spraying Luminol tonight? Idk
Yeah I am still leaning towards the ransom demanders being a super disgusting opportunistic individual(s). The timing of that first demand just feels awfully...off.
 
  • #10,705
This is depressing. I had hoped it wasn't the SIL or someone connected with him. And maybe it isn't, but this isn't looking good.

I did wonder about one thing, though. If the ransom demand contains info about the location of the Apple watch -- and if that location is unusual and not right next to the bed, then those behind the ransom note must had have inside knowledge. If they didn't abduct NG themselves, they need info from someone who knows were the item was. Who would have that info? Law enforcement and...possibly... family members. (Anyone else?)

JMO
 
  • #10,706
Then her movement didn't disconnect the watch pacemaker connection. The watch moved.
And, the message sender knew where the watch was? Wasn't that it the first message?
 
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The family has to be following the news media for updates, one would assume.

Maybe, but as Savannah IS major news media, I would presume she knows most of the well-known journalists in the U.S.

I expect she is getting news from her colleagues, in and out of NBC, well before it becomes public.

JMO
 
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I just watched Duty Ron and Ed Wallace’s you tube show. They are retired detectives and Ed still works in forensics. Among other interesting things, Ed mentioned that his mom has a pacemaker and he has received alerts when something unusual has been detected. I wonder if the siblings had anything like that come up with Nancy’s pacemaker.
 
  • #10,711
I've seen people on twitter floating the theory that she never made it home - but how does that square with the pacemaker syncing with the apple watch that was in her house.

I think the sign of someone else being in the house happened before the pacemaker synced with the apple watch - so that would seem to exclude the possibility that the pacemaker/watch sync happened elsewhere and the watch was then taken back to the home.

Then there is the issue of the blood outside - although it's not impossible that it got there at some other occasion. Does anyone know whether it's possible to determine how long a blood spatter has been somewhere?
the syncing and location of Nancy (pacemaker), watch and phone could have happened anywhere. Placement of evidence can then occur after if needed

I definitely believe someone was in her home in the early hours of that morning, but it may not have been in the presence of Nancy at all
 
  • #10,712
Gathering evidence to submit to a judge for an arrest warrant? Do they want to light a fire before the Monday "ransom" deadline?
That's what I was thinking. They want to do their best to solve this, and stop the family from paying.
 
  • #10,713
If evidence is found in this house, it certainly leads to SIL being involved ...or at least in cahoots with that sketchy bandmate, rather than some plot by that bandmate without SIL's knowledge.
True and it almost certainly implicates AG as well.
 
  • #10,714
Aren't Annie Guthrie and other relatives staying in the house? If they thought it was the/a potential crime scene it seems odd that they would be in there all the time and police would be stopping by every so often to collect evidence.
It was reported there is no longer anyone in the home. IIRC all 3 sibs and their fams went in 3 different directions after their first video - not because of any particular reason mentioned, just to different spaces to be housed.
 
  • #10,715
Maybe there is a tool rack in the garage and they are looking for blood? UGH
There is a 17' x 5' storage area in the part of the garage/carport that is on the front wall and another one of the same size along the rear wall of the garage/carport per the Pima County Assessor's office drawing of the home.
 
  • #10,716
I believe the standard practice for documenting Luminol is actually not to use flash or external light sources and instead adjust aperture and use long exposures.
My former LE hubby agrees. He also suggested that the bright flash could be a photo further documenting the spot where the luminal photo was just taken without the flash. (Rather than turning light off to photograph luminol, then turning it on to photograph precise location.) Just his thoughts, with the caveat that he’s been out of the field for years.
 
  • #10,717
I've seen people on twitter floating the theory that she never made it home - but how does that square with the pacemaker syncing with the apple watch that was in her house.

I think the sign of someone else being in the house happened before the pacemaker synced with the apple watch - so that would seem to exclude the possibility that the pacemaker/watch sync happened elsewhere and the watch was then taken back to the home.

Then there is the issue of the blood outside - although it's not impossible that it got there at some other occasion. Does anyone know whether it's possible to determine how long a blood spatter has been somewhere?
Excuse me if this has been answered, but do we know that it actually synched at her house? Could it have synched somewhere else?
 
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  • #10,719
I was convinced that she made it home given the evidence shared with us by PCSO. I also didn’t want to believe that AG could have anything to do with it, but how could she not know if something actually happened at her house. I’m starting to doubt. I know I’m not the first to question this.
not sure anything happened at hr house. They are investigating the car and focused for blood in the garage.....maybe for a tool or a weapon
 
  • #10,720
Extremely bright swaths of light . IMO
Doesn’t it look like a flashlight and the breaks are just because of the window panes? Unless its multiple flashes but they move from right to left
 
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