• #10,681
Every LE visit to AG and TC's house seems to add credibility to the narrative presented by AB in her podcast video early this week. Especially visits that take place at odd hours

I do think AB's podcast reporting may have been wrong on two small points, but they are minor if the main premise is correct.

First, I don't think it was ever established that LE took the cameras that had already been "smashed" by the perp(s), as I believe the Sheriff came out a said that LE didn't remove the camera(s), which is/are missing

Second, just my opinion, but I don't think there were signs of forced entry unless you consider the destroyed back door lights to be evidence of a forced entry. I suppose there could be lock or hardware damage on the back door that can't be seen from the photos that have been posted, but there appears to be no damage to that area of the front door. Also no damage to the main body of the back door.

Pure speculation, but I think the perp may have entered the back door using a key, perhaps one that was always kept hidden back there under a rock or something. Again, all pure speculation

All jmo
 
  • #10,682
Feds have those too, which is why I'm curious.

If it is the sheriff's office, then it explains the whole basketball thing earlier. He knew this would be occurring well after that.
My son is a Federal Law Enforcement officer and drives an unmarked vehicle.
 
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Remember, people and places need to be ruled OUT, too. Just saying.....
 
  • #10,685
If something did happen to Nancy at Annie's house, and Nancy never made it home that night, it puts the evidence at Nancy's house in a new perspective. Blood can easily be transferred and placed very obviously at the front door. The camera manipulation and interference, the smashing of the light, the opening of the garage door and closing it soon after. Nothing revealed so far shows confirmation that Nancy was in her home during these hours.

The ransom demand could be related or completely unrelated, especially given the time delay to when the first letter was received. Someone with access to information on the inside could easily reference things at the crime scene that make it sound like they they were there, when in reality they just had access to the investigation in some way. We've seen how easy 'insider information' can be leaked.
 
  • #10,686
Aren't Annie Guthrie and other relatives staying in the house? If they thought it was the/a potential crime scene it seems odd that they would be in there all the time and police would be stopping by every so often to collect evidence.
 
  • #10,687
Could she have been harmed at AG’s house, and then never made it home? Meaning the scene at NG’s home was staged? This is all so sad. I hope AG had no involvement.
Then her movement didn't disconnect the watch pacemaker connection. The watch moved.
 
  • #10,688
  • #10,689
LE focusing on NG & AG's homes, particularly the garages, and the route between them....while the family (including AG) communicates with whoever it is sending ransom demands via Instagram? What in the world is going on with this case?! Makes you wonder how close - or far apart - the family and LE are right now in terms of what they believe to be the truth about the situation.

I also wonder where the SiL is right now.
 
  • #10,690
This is an interesting question. I googled and results seem mixed. Looks like it will heavily depend on the type of rock. Best fingerprints come from non-porous smooth surfaces, but not all rocks fall into this category.

moo
Look up 'magnetic fluorescent powder' for porous surfaces.
 
  • #10,691
If evidence is found in this house, it certainly leads to SIL being involved ...or at least in cahoots with that sketchy bandmate, rather than some plot by that bandmate without SIL's knowledge.
 
  • #10,692
Here’s some ideas for light types.
 
  • #10,693
Every LE visit to AG and TC's house seems to add credibility to the narrative presented by AB in her podcast video early this week. Especially visits that take place at odd hours

I do think AB's podcast reporting may have been wrong on two small points, but they are minor if the main premise is correct.

First, I don't think it was ever established that LE took the cameras that had already been "smashed" by the perp(s), as I believe the Sheriff came out a said that LE didn't remove the camera(s), which is/are missing

Second, just my opinion, but I don't think there were signs of forced entry unless you consider the destroyed back door lights to be evidence of a forced entry. I suppose there could be lock or hardware damage on the back door that can't be seen from the photos that have been posted, but there appears to be no damage to that area of the front door. Also no damage to the main body of the back door.

Pure speculation, but I think the perp may have entered the back door using a key, perhaps one that was always kept hidden back there under a rock or something. Again, all pure speculation

All jmo
So the blood was staged? Or was there prior?
 
  • #10,694
  • #10,695
Remember, people and places need to be ruled OUT, too. Just saying.....


Wouldn't ruling out mostly be conducted during daylight hours rather than late at night ??
 
  • #10,696
This theory has been posed by many people, ie asking where is the proof that Ms Guthrie even returned home alive ??
I was convinced that she made it home given the evidence shared with us by PCSO. I also didn’t want to believe that AG could have anything to do with it, but how could she not know if something actually happened at her house. I’m starting to doubt. I know I’m not the first to question this.
 
  • #10,697
If something did happen to Nancy at Annie's house, and Nancy never made it home that night, it puts the evidence at Nancy's house in a new perspective. Blood can easily be transferred and placed very obviously at the front door. The camera manipulation and interference, the smashing of the light, the opening of the garage door and closing it soon after. Nothing revealed so far shows confirmation that Nancy was in her home during these hours.

The ransom demand could be related or completely unrelated, especially given the time delay to when the first letter was received. Someone with access to information on the inside could easily reference things at the crime scene that make it sound like they they were there, when in reality they just had access to the investigation in some way. We've seen how easy 'insider information' can be leaked.

I've seen people on twitter floating the theory that she never made it home - but how does that square with the pacemaker syncing with the apple watch that was in her house.

I think the sign of someone else being in the house happened before the pacemaker synced with the apple watch - so that would seem to exclude the possibility that the pacemaker/watch sync happened elsewhere and the watch was then taken back to the home.

Then there is the issue of the blood outside - although it's not impossible that it got there at some other occasion. Does anyone know whether it's possible to determine how long a blood spatter has been somewhere?
 
  • #10,698
I don't blame the police for being out of their depth here. Reminiscent of "Boulder City" law enforcement during Jon Benet Ramsey murder.

They don't have a lot experience in this type of situation.
 
  • #10,699
Gathering evidence to submit to a judge for an arrest warrant? Do they want to light a fire before the Monday "ransom" deadline?
 
  • #10,700
Then her movement didn't disconnect the watch pacemaker connection. The watch moved.
YES!!! THIS! I don't think Nancy ever made it home.
 
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