AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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Here’s some ideas for light types.
 
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Every LE visit to AG and TC's house seems to add credibility to the narrative presented by AB in her podcast video early this week. Especially visits that take place at odd hours

I do think AB's podcast reporting may have been wrong on two small points, but they are minor if the main premise is correct.

First, I don't think it was ever established that LE took the cameras that had already been "smashed" by the perp(s), as I believe the Sheriff came out a said that LE didn't remove the camera(s), which is/are missing

Second, just my opinion, but I don't think there were signs of forced entry unless you consider the destroyed back door lights to be evidence of a forced entry. I suppose there could be lock or hardware damage on the back door that can't be seen from the photos that have been posted, but there appears to be no damage to that area of the front door. Also no damage to the main body of the back door.

Pure speculation, but I think the perp may have entered the back door using a key, perhaps one that was always kept hidden back there under a rock or something. Again, all pure speculation

All jmo
So the blood was staged? Or was there prior?
 
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Remember, people and places need to be ruled OUT, too. Just saying.....


Wouldn't ruling out mostly be conducted during daylight hours rather than late at night ??
 
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This theory has been posed by many people, ie asking where is the proof that Ms Guthrie even returned home alive ??
I was convinced that she made it home given the evidence shared with us by PCSO. I also didn’t want to believe that AG could have anything to do with it, but how could she not know if something actually happened at her house. I’m starting to doubt. I know I’m not the first to question this.
 
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If something did happen to Nancy at Annie's house, and Nancy never made it home that night, it puts the evidence at Nancy's house in a new perspective. Blood can easily be transferred and placed very obviously at the front door. The camera manipulation and interference, the smashing of the light, the opening of the garage door and closing it soon after. Nothing revealed so far shows confirmation that Nancy was in her home during these hours.

The ransom demand could be related or completely unrelated, especially given the time delay to when the first letter was received. Someone with access to information on the inside could easily reference things at the crime scene that make it sound like they they were there, when in reality they just had access to the investigation in some way. We've seen how easy 'insider information' can be leaked.

I've seen people on twitter floating the theory that she never made it home - but how does that square with the pacemaker syncing with the apple watch that was in her house.

I think the sign of someone else being in the house happened before the pacemaker synced with the apple watch - so that would seem to exclude the possibility that the pacemaker/watch sync happened elsewhere and the watch was then taken back to the home.

Then there is the issue of the blood outside - although it's not impossible that it got there at some other occasion. Does anyone know whether it's possible to determine how long a blood spatter has been somewhere?
 
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I don't blame the police for being out of their depth here. Reminiscent of "Boulder City" law enforcement during Jon Benet Ramsey murder.

They don't have a lot experience in this type of situation.
 
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Gathering evidence to submit to a judge for an arrest warrant? Do they want to light a fire before the Monday "ransom" deadline?
 
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Then her movement didn't disconnect the watch pacemaker connection. The watch moved.
YES!!! THIS! I don't think Nancy ever made it home.
 
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Wouldn't ruling out mostly be conducted during daylight hours rather than late at night ??

I just read this:

Luminol requires near-total or complete darkness to be effective, as it produces a faint, short-lived (approx. 30 seconds) blue-white chemiluminescent glow upon reacting with the iron in hemoglobin.
 
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I've seen people on twitter floating the theory that she never made it home - but how does that square with the pacemaker syncing with the apple watch that was in her house.

I think the sign of someone else being in the house happened before the pacemaker synced with the apple watch - so that would seem to exclude the possibility that the pacemaker/watch sync happened elsewhere and the watch was then taken back to the home.

Then there is the issue of the blood outside - although it's not impossible that it got there at some other occasion. Does anyone know whether it's possible to determine how long a blood spatter has been somewhere?
Is it possible the Apple Watch was removed elsewhere and taken to the house?
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if the SIL being involved

I feel like the SIL potentially being involved and the ransom letters are completely unrelated. Ransom notes still seem like opportunistic bad characters trying to take advantage of the situation. Agents have been at AG's house several times now. First visit to AG's house agents were seen carrying in a Cellebrite case to collect and analyze digital data. Now they are taking photos and maybe spraying Luminol tonight? Idk
Yeah I am still leaning towards the ransom demanders being a super disgusting opportunistic individual(s). The timing of that first demand just feels awfully...off.
 
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This is depressing. I had hoped it wasn't the SIL or someone connected with him. And maybe it isn't, but this isn't looking good.

I did wonder about one thing, though. If the ransom demand contains info about the location of the Apple watch -- and if that location is unusual and not right next to the bed, then those behind the ransom note must had have inside knowledge. If they didn't abduct NG themselves, they need info from someone who knows were the item was. Who would have that info? Law enforcement and...possibly... family members. (Anyone else?)

JMO
 
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Then her movement didn't disconnect the watch pacemaker connection. The watch moved.
And, the message sender knew where the watch was? Wasn't that it the first message?
 
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The family has to be following the news media for updates, one would assume.

Maybe, but as Savannah IS major news media, I would presume she knows most of the well-known journalists in the U.S.

I expect she is getting news from her colleagues, in and out of NBC, well before it becomes public.

JMO
 
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I just watched Duty Ron and Ed Wallace’s you tube show. They are retired detectives and Ed still works in forensics. Among other interesting things, Ed mentioned that his mom has a pacemaker and he has received alerts when something unusual has been detected. I wonder if the siblings had anything like that come up with Nancy’s pacemaker.
 
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I've seen people on twitter floating the theory that she never made it home - but how does that square with the pacemaker syncing with the apple watch that was in her house.

I think the sign of someone else being in the house happened before the pacemaker synced with the apple watch - so that would seem to exclude the possibility that the pacemaker/watch sync happened elsewhere and the watch was then taken back to the home.

Then there is the issue of the blood outside - although it's not impossible that it got there at some other occasion. Does anyone know whether it's possible to determine how long a blood spatter has been somewhere?
the syncing and location of Nancy (pacemaker), watch and phone could have happened anywhere. Placement of evidence can then occur after if needed

I definitely believe someone was in her home in the early hours of that morning, but it may not have been in the presence of Nancy at all
 

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