AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[EJB123456]

From that map, it looks like NG's property has TWO septic systems - 1 for the guest house and another for the main house, and it also appears that the 1 for the guest house is the second that has been there, installed after another failed.

I’ve been looking at the drone footage looking for the location of the septic tank on google maps, I think I’ve found it here circled in red, it’s behind the neighbours house.

Septic/well records that were pulled for Nancy's home. They have no record of a well and state they are connected to the City of Tucson water services. For septic it looks like they had a smaller septic tank that caused drain field failure back in 1991, so they then had 1,000 gallon septic tank installed. Here is the map portion of the approved permitting paperwork if anyone is curious.

Yes but look what @Springplease found!!!!! Based on video/pics of the hvacs and wall, it doesn’t look like they are on NG’s property!

 

[thefragile7393]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2020557653588726267

So basically, we don’t know what we don’t know

 

[Pugsterpig]

DBM

 

[modesty blaise]

So there are no cameras around this lovely looking neighborhood? I'm sure this was probably asked already I'm just getting caught up.

 

[SaraSmile]

I diasagree.

The mercenaries here are whomever took Nancy and are demanding millions.

The financial worth of the family, specifically Savannah, provides the motive, which cannot be obtained from someone without $6,000,000 to pay.

And we do not know at all if “they know no more now than they did when she disappeared.”

How can we assume that when they have read the ransom notes and we haven’t, and they are working with the FBI and we aren’t?

We all want the same thing—the SAFE return of Nancy Guthrie, which IMO is more doubtful as time is ticking.

I can’t blame the family for any moves they have or have not made. Who among us knows for a fact that if they’d paid earlier, Nancy would come home alive?

JMO about this heartwrenching tragedy.

That’s an interesting thought, if SG had paid the ransom the first day they got the ransom note, would it have brought Nancy home alive?

Just imagining, on Monday( only one day into case), the Guthrie family and LE likely thought the case might be solved quickly. Maybe LE thought ransom notes are just from bad actors, jumping on in an opportunist way.

Maybe FBI encouraged SG not to pay yet on Monday, even though they said it’s up to the family to decide. Maybe FBI think ransoms encourage other bad actors.

Since there was no way to contact, negotiate with ransom seeker, after the second note (dire),
SG communicated that she will pay by Monday( final deadline).

Agreed, No way of knowing if Nancy would have been returned alive, if paid on the first day, or earlier.

Very sad case.

 

[mysteriousways26]

She didnt attend the Church in person and hadnt in years.

This tidbit has really bothered me. Wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility for someone to THINK she had been attending in-person in order to create a phone call alibi. Last I heard, no one had come forward as the supposed individual who called NG about church…

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

OT: Team USA just won gold in team figure skating competition!

 

[missy1974]

This has probably been posted, but thread is moving so fast, I'm posting just in case, bbm:

The authors of Nancy Guthrie’s ransom note may have exposed themselves as operating outside the US because of one tiny detail in their note – a specification that their multi-million dollar demands be paid out in US dollars, law enforcement experts think.

“Why would you use that if you’re a domestic person? That points to somebody who might be potentially outside the country, which also lends the potential for this being a scam,” former FBI agent Michael Harrigan told The Post.

“If you’re domestic, why would you ever put ‘USD?’ You put six million,” he added.

Savannah Guthrie missing mom live updates: The tiny detail in the Nancy Guthrie ransom note that makes FBI experts think the writers aren’t even in US

Follow the Post’s live updates for the latest news on Savannah Guthrie’s missing mom and the investigation to find Nancy Guthrie, who was last seen on January 31.

nypost.com

Where are we getting the USD info from?

Who said that it said that? or where was it said?

I don't think it's unusual when talking in BTC world to use a specifc currency though, but wondering where it is even coming from or if it's speculation?

 

[cckp72]

I thought the ransomers wanted Bitcoin, not USD?

 

[strawberry]

Maybe septic design varies depending on geomorphology and climate. The photos do not look like the systems in the Northeast that I am familiar with. Ours has a single square opening, less than a foot wide and the hump for the leaching field you describe. What they're probing in NG's yard has a manhole cover. Actually I see 2 manhole openings. While it doesn't look like septic systems here, I'm in a cold climate with granite ledge. It's probably different in a desert location with caliche.

You're right they do. That's why they do perc tests for drainage fields. If the soil doesnt filter the waste properly they have to use a holding tank (if local gov allows) which has to be pumped when 3/4 full.

 

[KBlackRabbit]

And that’s an interesting detail. Why would you put USD because duh, of course this is America so why would you specify that?

truly makes me wonder if all of this is nonsense and they’re actually being scammed by somebody out of the country

If it’s crypto you always state the currency so you know exactly what you’re trading or paying with and what network to use. USD is used in crypto.

 

[Rumination1]

I can imagine them discussing the finances (that could be comingled by that time) and I can imagine if the push was too huge, Nancy grabbing her cellphone to call Savannah or Camron, to talk to them about it, and her SIL grabbing it from her hand and her accidentally falling.

The rest, however, seems too planned.



Well, if Savannah's finances were in any way the topic, it only illustrates how right SG was in keeping her in-law as far from her life as possible!

I imagine a different situation. Could a provincial and not too savvy BIL, knowing that his SIL rubbed shoulders with "the famous and the mighty", harbor the hope that SG could promote his music to the top of the charts? Something irrational. Just my idea.

Whilst I can fathom an accidental death such as this and a coverup I wonder how these messages were so quickly constructed and routed via ip addresses and how these get sent when the family is under scrutiny.
That bit seems unmanageable without foresight .

I’m inclined to believe this is a true kidnapping by an acquaintance , or stranger who realised Nancys daughter had money

 

[mikeshanty]

Looks like things have slowed down today. I imagine tomorrow might be a day of big developments.

 

[turaj]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2020557653588726267

So basically, we don’t know what we don’t know

sounds like Pima County is signing off for today. Probably most watching the big game? Sort of early in the day for the update.

 

[Sessiebo]

Where are we getting the USD info from?

Who said that it said that? or where was it said?

I don't think it's unusual when talking in BTC world to use a specifc currency though, but wondering where it is even coming from or if it's speculation?

That's what i have been wondering aswell, is it just hearsay or did someone reported it this way and people just ran with it?

 

[mikeshanty]

TMZ has an update; pastor apparently asked by Guthrie family to pray for "those" responsible.

 

[crhedBngr]

So was that gone or present? I did not see that in the list of things in the home.

Not sure.

So many things going on . . . . I can't keep up.

 

[Napoli]

And Savannah's considerable personal finances are well known and a potential motive.
And the SIL/BIL may have been having financial troubles, which can lead to arguments/emotionally charged situations.
And kidnappings for ransom revolve around money.
And murders often happen over money.

<modsnip>
Once the money is converted to bitcoin, it takes from 10 minutes to an hour after the perp would receive it. Quite frankly, Savannah Guthrie is just not that big of a personality unless you watch NBC. This was a local kidnapping by people who have some lopsided connection to the family. She, in the perp's mind, is the money source..yet nothing has been sent. The banks are unable to do this on a Sunday (per commentator on Fox). It took her a week to make a decision on this. Everyone here is sure she will pay. Everyone thinks mom said no to SIL. Crime of opportunity because someone had a connection to the mom. Sometimes, people have money because they dont spend it. It's been a week. AB threw a real monkey wrench into this. JMO This whole sil thing is a rabbit hole. MOO

 

[tricia]

MUST WATCH.

 

[missy1974]

I thought the ransomers wanted Bitcoin, not USD?

They do. But when you send it, you send it and it converts to bitcoin.

As of right now, this is what that converts to:

But it fluctuates... LOTS... so asking for a $USD amount is normal/reasonable IMO