AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[desert-blue]

I keep thinking about the garage door times. Those don't seem like estimates - they are very precise. Do they know these exact times from cameras at the house or did she have some sort of app or smart garage door opener? If it's the first, they would also have video of her being dropped off (which doesn't seem to be the case). If it's the latter, the garage could have been opened and closed remotely from anywhere. Those garage times don't mean much if that's the case. This, combined with the removal of the supposed call alerting them that NG wasn't at church, have me worried. It leaves a massive hole in the timeline.

 

[shonyakay]

I am not speaking about this case, but just about crime scene staging in general. This is when a domestic murder is staged as another type of crime committed by someone other than the family. Generally these families are amateurs. They make mistakes in the cover up and hoax. They base their staging on movies and books, not how LE actually works.

To answer your question, the perpetrators may have thought it would look suspicious to be the last person to see the victim alive, and the first person to find her missing. Someone from church making a call might sound like a better story.

Again I am not talking about this case specifically. But exploring the theory of crime scene staging.

A poster in here just posted a New York Times article that stated a churchgoer did call the family when they noticed Nancy wasn't in her pew. NYT is fairly legit.
I would believe them any day over DM.

 

[Cassie P]

I keep thinking though... how very lucky it is for them that she has not been found yet.

They gave the family a week. If they were using it as extortion, they have been VERY lucky that she has not been found. IF the perp (s) are not the same as the note senders... how would the note sender know they would have week? Must be a gambler IMO

Several possible explanations:

1. We are not looking at two separate crimes. The disappearance of NG and the RN extortion are somehow connected.

2. RN extortion people are opportunistic and figured they would try to turn a national news story into a personal pay day. They had nothing to lose by demanding a ransom for a kidnapping they did not commit. The hoped the wealthy family would immediately pay up,
It is a crime of opportunity, smash and grab. Demand the money and run.

 

[Vaderman]

But could the initial press conference be the most revealing for us? It was early on and maybe it is closer to the truth than subsequent statements / FBI involvement. I am going to go and re-watch it.

If you find it, could you link it? I've been trying to locate it but can only find the most recent one.

 

[shadowsc]

Just as Richard Allen was not interviewed in the Delphi case.

The church phone call was removed from the timeline for a reason.

I agree. The transcript from the press conference when the sheriff is giving the timeline jumps from the time the pacemaker was disconnected from the app:

Sherrif: 2:28, Nancy's Pacemaker app shows that it was a disconnect from the phone. And at 11:56 a.m., uh, the family checks on Nancy, discovers her missing, and at 12:03 p.m., 911 is called in to the Pima County Sheriff's Department. I believe it's about approximately 10 minutes later, 12 minutes later, our patrol teams arrive.

 

[Czechgirl]

Yes it’s here

Those look like condenser units (A/C). But who knows.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

The issue I am currently having is that the most critical chunk of the timeline depends almost solely on AG and TC. We're currently having to assume LE was able to verify who from church called and exactly when. And of course, any confirmation that they were home during the critical hours.

"Church member called family because she was concerned NG wasn't in church" is no longer on the LE timeline. Agree with Masked Woman that we are totally dependent on AG and TC for this critical part of the timeline.

 

[MollyHarps]

I’ve been away for the weekend without any signal (it’s probably a good thing as I think my husband would’ve filed for divorce if I kept checking on this thread!)

I am trying to catch up on the thread but there is over 300 new pages since I left - has there been any major developments since Thursday evening?

 

[maskedwoman]

Who carries maps anymore

I read earlier today that topographical maps, etc., use for searches are physical maps.

 

[abr]

100% premeditated… moo

Unless it was the gs.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

The Sheriff in the first Tuesday press conference when asked if he had talked to the people who reported her missing,
The Sheriff started to answer, "that's the family." But the reporter was still asking the question right when he answered that... so the reporter was asking, "have you talked to the people who reported her missing, the church people?" And then the Sheriff caught that part, so his answer was, "Oh, from the church as well. We're doing all kinds of interviews. Yes, I'm sure we have."

But... if you read it back, he's actually not specifically saying the sheriff's office DID in fact speak with anyone at the church. He said, "Yes, I'm sure we have" but in a way like well of course we would. But, it's possible there is some miscommunication here or why wouldn't he be have memory of this conversation.

so strange to me. Yes, why would he not have memory of such a critical and absolutely necessary piece of information

 

[tricia]

I said the same last night. From reading Rules I thought it not allowed so I have been very careful about how I word things.

Realistically though, he can't have been cleared (which is the same as being POI) With the HUGE amount of accusations flying around, I would've thought an official statement would be made if he has been deemed innocent, due to being close family and the ongoing detrimental effect. Deputies were at his house last night investigating so...

I just SO don't want to believe it.

I have made a post that explains things more clearly. We have been announcing to use initials only. Here is the latest post that hopefully clears things up once and for all.

AZ Post in thread 'Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026'

Today at 6:45 PM

Considering a million or so people are suspecting or outright accusing him of murdering his mother in law for money, he’s smart to maintain privacy.

Everything he did would be discussed incessantly online, as this thread demonstrates.

It’s not the norm for Websleuths to allow it.

Let me address this.
There is nothing normal about this case. The son-in-law may have been the last person to see Nancy alive. The sheriff has not cleared anyone, and he has also stated there are no “prime suspects” at this time.

Because no one has been cleared, discussion is allowed...

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[nightowl2728]

I don't think this has been brought up recently in the thread (but who knows, it's moving so fast...) but another angle of the collection of the two vehicles (one from AG's home and one from NG's home, I believe, with no confirmation of LE of actual ownership) is that LE is using them to determine their movements, not necessarily forensic evidence from the vehicles themselves.

This information could not only help track movement of the night that NG disappeared, but also corroborate (or not) information LE received from individuals regarding their own movement on days prior (or after) NG's disappearance. Could also include information from any caregivers/assistants who may drive NG's vehicle or provided information on NG's movements in the prior days/typical schedule, etc. I.e. whether or not the information provided is truthful.

 

[HoveringWombats]

I keep thinking about the garage door times. Those don't seem like estimates - they are very precise. Do they know these exact times from cameras at the house or did she have some sort of app or smart garage door opener?

I don't believe that this has been officially disclosed. Most of us, I think, have been assuming that it's from a smart garage door opener, but I don't think it's been explicitly said.

It seems somewhat unlikely that it would have been by camera, though. We already know from official statements that the (known) cameras did not have cloud storage, and therefore there was no video to review. So the only way that they could have detected an opening garage door from these cameras would be if, similar to the "person" notification (without video clip) they mentioned, there was some "garage door opened" notification showing. I am fairly familiar with most of the consumer security camera products, and I am not aware of one that has a "garage door opened" notification type, but it might exist. It just seems unlikely to me. And if that was the case I think they'd have said that a camera picked up the garage door opening, just like they did with the person/animal motion.

And smart garage door openers are basically standard for the past several years, so it's not a stretch to think she'd have one. But, like so many things in this case, the true answer is that we're not sure.

 

[MommaV]

Hoping she is alive and receiving the care she needs. We need to hold on to some hope for this family.

 

[shadowsc]

If you find it, could you link it? I've been trying to locate it but can only find the most recent one.

It's here. At about the 7:30 mark.

Sheriff: We were told she was left at her home by the family. At 11:00 in the morning the family got notice from somebody at church that she was not at church. They went to the home found her to be missing. That's that's the timeline. From Saturday night 9:45 we'll say to Sunday morning 11:00.

Question: Have you interviewed the people that reported her missing? The people from the church?

Sheriff: That's the family. Oh, from the church as well. We're doing all kinds of interviews. Yes, I'm sure we have.

 

[mikeshanty]

If you find it, could you link it? I've been trying to locate it but can only find the most recent one.

Is it one of these two?

 

[Bluewing3102]

What? I don’t understand.

Possible LE is making moves as media and public are focused on super bowl. JMO

 

[desert-blue]

I have made a post that explains things more clearly. We have been announcing to use initials only. Here is the latest post that hopefully clears things up once and for all.

AZ Post in thread 'Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026'

Today at 6:45 PM

Considering a million or so people are suspecting or outright accusing him of murdering his mother in law for money, he’s smart to maintain privacy.

Everything he did would be discussed incessantly online, as this thread demonstrates.

It’s not the norm for Websleuths to allow it.

Let me address this.
There is nothing normal about this case. The son-in-law may have been the last person to see Nancy alive. The sheriff has not cleared anyone, and he has also stated there are no “prime suspects” at this time.

Because no one has been cleared, discussion is allowed...

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I probably missed it, but has it been definitively said that the son-in-law took her home alone? I thought they changed it to "family" which had me confused because originally I thought they did say it was the son-in-law? It keeps changing and I can't keep up on the thread so any clarification would be so appreciated!!! TIA.

 

[MissLaura]

She has sensationalized the story, she has not offered a single ounce of empathy or sorrow for someone who was once her former colleague, she has allowed unfounded speculation to run riot. I don't doubt she is "reporting the story" but it is undignified the way she has carried on when most of SG's colleagues are giving her some dignity and space right now.

The first sentence is untrue. She has offered empathy and sorrow...I listened to it. Agree to disagree about MK's eporting, but plenty of her former colleagues have reported on this story.