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The issue I am currently having is that the most critical chunk of the timeline depends almost solely on AG and TC. We're currently having to assume LE was able to verify who from church called and exactly when. And of course, any confirmation that they were home during the critical hours.
"Church member called family because she was concerned NG wasn't in church" is no longer on the LE timeline. Agree with Masked Woman that we are totally dependent on AG and TC for this critical part of the timeline.
 
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I’ve been away for the weekend without any signal (it’s probably a good thing as I think my husband would’ve filed for divorce if I kept checking on this thread!)

I am trying to catch up on the thread but there is over 300 new pages since I left - has there been any major developments since Thursday evening?
 
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The Sheriff in the first Tuesday press conference when asked if he had talked to the people who reported her missing,
The Sheriff started to answer, "that's the family." But the reporter was still asking the question right when he answered that... so the reporter was asking, "have you talked to the people who reported her missing, the church people?" And then the Sheriff caught that part, so his answer was, "Oh, from the church as well. We're doing all kinds of interviews. Yes, I'm sure we have."

But... if you read it back, he's actually not specifically saying the sheriff's office DID in fact speak with anyone at the church. He said, "Yes, I'm sure we have" but in a way like well of course we would. But, it's possible there is some miscommunication here or why wouldn't he be have memory of this conversation.
so strange to me. Yes, why would he not have memory of such a critical and absolutely necessary piece of information
 
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I said the same last night. From reading Rules I thought it not allowed so I have been very careful about how I word things.

Realistically though, he can't have been cleared (which is the same as being POI) With the HUGE amount of accusations flying around, I would've thought an official statement would be made if he has been deemed innocent, due to being close family and the ongoing detrimental effect. Deputies were at his house last night investigating so...

I just SO don't want to believe it.
I have made a post that explains things more clearly. We have been announcing to use initials only. Here is the latest post that hopefully clears things up once and for all.
 
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I don't think this has been brought up recently in the thread (but who knows, it's moving so fast...) but another angle of the collection of the two vehicles (one from AG's home and one from NG's home, I believe, with no confirmation of LE of actual ownership) is that LE is using them to determine their movements, not necessarily forensic evidence from the vehicles themselves.

This information could not only help track movement of the night that NG disappeared, but also corroborate (or not) information LE received from individuals regarding their own movement on days prior (or after) NG's disappearance. Could also include information from any caregivers/assistants who may drive NG's vehicle or provided information on NG's movements in the prior days/typical schedule, etc. I.e. whether or not the information provided is truthful.
 
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I keep thinking about the garage door times. Those don't seem like estimates - they are very precise. Do they know these exact times from cameras at the house or did she have some sort of app or smart garage door opener?
I don't believe that this has been officially disclosed. Most of us, I think, have been assuming that it's from a smart garage door opener, but I don't think it's been explicitly said.

It seems somewhat unlikely that it would have been by camera, though. We already know from official statements that the (known) cameras did not have cloud storage, and therefore there was no video to review. So the only way that they could have detected an opening garage door from these cameras would be if, similar to the "person" notification (without video clip) they mentioned, there was some "garage door opened" notification showing. I am fairly familiar with most of the consumer security camera products, and I am not aware of one that has a "garage door opened" notification type, but it might exist. It just seems unlikely to me. And if that was the case I think they'd have said that a camera picked up the garage door opening, just like they did with the person/animal motion.

And smart garage door openers are basically standard for the past several years, so it's not a stretch to think she'd have one. But, like so many things in this case, the true answer is that we're not sure.
 
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Hoping she is alive and receiving the care she needs. We need to hold on to some hope for this family.
 
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If you find it, could you link it? I've been trying to locate it but can only find the most recent one.
It's here. At about the 7:30 mark.


Sheriff: We were told she was left at her home by the family. At 11:00 in the morning the family got notice from somebody at church that she was not at church. They went to the home found her to be missing. That's that's the timeline. From Saturday night 9:45 we'll say to Sunday morning 11:00.

Question: Have you interviewed the people that reported her missing? The people from the church?

Sheriff: That's the family. Oh, from the church as well. We're doing all kinds of interviews. Yes, I'm sure we have.
 
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If you find it, could you link it? I've been trying to locate it but can only find the most recent one.
Is it one of these two?


 
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I have made a post that explains things more clearly. We have been announcing to use initials only. Here is the latest post that hopefully clears things up once and for all.
I probably missed it, but has it been definitively said that the son-in-law took her home alone? I thought they changed it to "family" which had me confused because originally I thought they did say it was the son-in-law? It keeps changing and I can't keep up on the thread so any clarification would be so appreciated!!! TIA.
 
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She has sensationalized the story, she has not offered a single ounce of empathy or sorrow for someone who was once her former colleague, she has allowed unfounded speculation to run riot. I don't doubt she is "reporting the story" but it is undignified the way she has carried on when most of SG's colleagues are giving her some dignity and space right now.

The first sentence is untrue. She has offered empathy and sorrow...I listened to it. Agree to disagree about MK's eporting, but plenty of her former colleagues have reported on this story.
 
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Can anyone explain why the sheriffs department would be there, but not the FBI?
If a murder case is filed it would be by the local authorities. Kidnapping would be a federal charge and investigated by the FBI
 
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It would be dumb for them to lie about something that could be so easily verified as false so I wonder why they would.
Couldn't they have just stated they decided to go visit her for lunch?

Like others, i realised quickly that the Sheriff was a little scattergun in his phrasing and probably wasn't meaning some of the things he was saying as literally as a) the media and b) the public would read them. But even if you toss the detail about a bit, the comment about the alert and the church can't really be interpreted in any way other than "the family received an alert from someone connected to the church which set this whole thing off in the morning".

Either Sheriff made it up entirely (improbable), he didn't get the detail quite right (hard to see how the relevant substance of the comment would change in a significant or meaningful way with a little tweak to detail), the known details of the church service or event she was planning to attend that day are simply wrong, or that's what they believed at the time but investigation revealed something which made them snip that right out of timelines and avoid further discussion for some reason.

I can't believe anyone would just make that story up knowing very well that these things would be checked by LE. There's something to it though, and I really want to know what it is.
 
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It's here:


Sheriff: We were told she was left at her home by the family. At 11:00 in the morning the family got notice from somebody at church that she was not at church. They went to the home found her to be missing. That's that's the timeline. From Saturday night 9:45 we'll say to Sunday morning 11:00.

Question: Have you interviewed the people that reported her missing? The people from the church?

Sheriff: That's the family. Oh, from the church as well. We're doing all kinds of interviews. Yes, I'm sure we have.
Is that the earliest one? Because I can see the FBI person there and I thought there was an earlier press conference without the FBI like this one: (click "Watch on Youtube", it might not show up here)

 
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just want to be very specific commenting on this following paragraph. Is there any question about the underlined???? I THOUGHT that LE had talked to the churchgoer.

Is this true, or not???? I thought we had learned that LE had talked to the churchgoer????

if Nancy didn't go in-person to church and if LE can't get a name from the family about who notified them, this is a red flag. Also, the cell phone of the family member contacted would show a call came in from somebody at church at the time they reported receiving the call.
We don’t know.

Normally I wouldn’t have questioned this. It makes perfect sense. It doesn’t matter if we don’t know their name, if it were confirmed that LE interviewed this person.

But as I’ve said (probably to an annoying degree), the Sheriff quietly omitted this part of the story from his most recent presser on Thursday, both verbally and in writing. That’s significant, IMO.
 
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Anybody know if LE had talked to the church person who had contacted the family? I have never heard that LE had talked to the church person but could may have missed it.
God, this is such a very very important question. We really do need the answer to this.
 
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"Church member called family because she was concerned NG wasn't in church" is no longer on the LE timeline. Agree with Masked Woman that we are totally dependent on AG and TC for this critical part of the timeline.
And I think the dependency on AD&TC was thrown out the window early on .
 
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