AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Starkville]

A poster in here just posted a New York Times article that stated a churchgoer did call the family when they noticed Nancy wasn't in her pew. NYT is fairly legit.
I would believe them any day over DM.

But here’s my point. The Sheriff’s office initially DID have the churchgoer call on the timeline. And the MSM reported it as fact. As they should, because hey, it’s the PCSO! Can’t get a better source, right?

However, the PCSO quietly dropped the item from their most recent presser. Only Axios (that I’ve seen) has followed suit.

 

[VicBlazey]

Have question: regarding ring camera removal on front of house. Would this have been done standing directly in front of it, or from inside door frame reaching around? Also, interested to know who installed it for her. As in family member or security company?

I have a ring cam, you can definitely unclip it quite easily by standing inside the door frame from behind, thus not being caught on camera. Your hand may be on vid, but not your face. Assuming most brands of cam are pretty similar in that respect (ours is battery not wired to mains).

 

[louvillian08]

Like others, i realised quickly that the Sheriff was a little scattergun in his phrasing and probably wasn't meaning some of the things he was saying as literally as a) the media and b) the public would read them. But even if you toss the detail about a bit, the comment about the alert and the church can't really be interpreted in any way other than "the family received an alert from someone connected to the church which set this whole thing off in the morning".

Either Sheriff made it up entirely (improbable), he didn't get the detail quite right (hard to see how the relevant substance of the comment would change in a significant or meaningful way with a little tweak to detail), the known details of the church service or event she was planning to attend that day are simply wrong, or that's what they believed at the time but investigation revealed something which made them snip that right out of timelines and avoid further discussion for some reason.

I can't believe anyone would just make that story up knowing very well that these things would be checked by LE. There's something to it though, and I really want to know what it is.

Two things here:

1) I think the comment about church was genuinely just causing a lot of confusion and potentially causing a bunch of headaches for LE from well meaning people. IE the anonymous source to Daily Mail who said she only attended virtually. “Missing from church” is an accurate statement whether she attended virtually or physically.

2) Their “official” timeline seems focused just on verified, concrete timestamps. Yes it’s meaningful that she wasn’t at church (hence the phone call to family) but it technically isn’t when her disappearance was discovered. If that makes sense?

IMO - there is zero reason the sheriff would bring up the phone call in multiple press conferences unless he felt confident that was the truth. OR I would think LE would be on top of the sister/brother in law much more than we’ve seen so far. SG would also be very concerned and it seems like they’re very much still a united front. It’s been long enough for the story to have been debunked if they lied.

 

[Wsimm]

LE wouldn't have fabricated that the family told him that somebody from church called them to let them know she wasn't at church. That's too specific for him to loosely mention it in that first presser. MO

Agreed, and if by a very slight chance he misspoke or misunderstood, I’m assuming he would have cleared that up quickly and with little doubt left. IMO

 

[Cassie P]

With all due respect...if it isnt a kidnaping, where the hell is she? A kidnaping is the unlawful taking or confinement of a person. They havent found her in the house or in the neighborhood. Unless they think she wandered off....I just don't understand why people still think she wasnt kidnapped?

People are thinking about a new theory to explain what might have happened. It involves the idea that perhaps NG was killed or died unexpectedly. And perhaps never even made it back home that evening.

As more data and evidence come to light, people adjust their theories or develop new ones. Sometimes talking about the new theory, walking it through, either strengthens or weakens the theory.

I myself have no agenda about what happened. I just want the truth. And justice to be served.

 

[shadowsc]

I don't love that the news station revealed the ransom amount. I wonder if LE was okay with that. It seems really irresponsible to reveal what the going rate for a kidnapping is these days.

 

[abanddb123]

Or just download twitter

Crazy theory: Anyone else think it's suspicious that LE announced increased security around the house and suddenly all reporters on scene have gone quiet as the super bowl is getting ready to start?

No. They did it because dumb people were trespassing.

 

[HoveringWombats]

Have question: regarding ring camera removal on front of house. Would this have been done standing directly in front of it, or from inside door frame reaching around? Also, interested to know who installed it for her. As in family member or security company?

Point of clarification, the camera on the front door that was removed is pretty clearly (though not officially confirmed) a Nest, not a Ring. See my previous post with an image.

I don't think it's hugely consequential here, but it may matter if people want to dissect how easy or hard it would be to remove from various angles.

 

[LRinCA]

God, this is such a very very important question. We really do need the answer to this.

I just followed the gift link to the NYT article that someone was nice enough to post a few pages back. The article is dated today. Either they haven't updated it or haven't drilled down on this?

"did not see her in the pews"

Ms. Guthrie, whom friends have described as a devoted Christian, was expected at church that Sunday morning. But when someone at St. Andrew’s Presbyterian did not see her in the pews, they called her family to check in.

7 Days, No Suspects: The Disappearance of Nancy Guthrie

The mother of the “Today” show host Savannah Guthrie has not been heard from since an evening of dinner and games with family members.

www.nytimes.com

 

[simlyme]

Maybe an accidental murder.

Never heard of an accidental murder ?

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

I do have one theory but it's out there and I myself think it's not what happened. But it could be a potential explanation:

What if the kidnapper (assuming they are real and not an extortionist) called and told the family about the kidnapping or something else alarming that made them go check NG?

In this scenario, the sheriff may have made up the church story in order not to tell the truth to the public yet.

I don't think the Sheriff made up the story. I think the LE has not share much with the public and they may have allowed the public to think certain things (e.g. no suspects yet), but this was very specific info that was said to come from family via a church member who called them.

Rather than saying anything further about this so-called church member calling the family to say NG wasn't in church, it could be the LE knew this was something easy to check that could be significant , discovered some major problems with the story and intentionally decided not to tell the public because they wanted to pursue whether family members could be involved without tipping their hand. Just MO

 

[MizStery]

<snipped for emphasis> Megan Kelly asks: Now that would be a material change from the story that the sheriff told which was that somebody at church noticed Nancy wasn't there. She was a religious churchgoer and um that that person called the family out of concern. Have you heard anything on this either way?
Brian Entin answers:So, the church near her house that we went to, the pastor told uh my producer the same thing that the Daily
Mail is reporting that she switched to online after COVID and was didn't come to church on Sundays. I just assumed
maybe she also went to a different church.

The post from Websleuths member shadows is taken from today’s February 8th NY Times article which contradicts the official timeline

7 Days, No Suspects: The Disappearance of Nancy Guthrie

The mother of the “Today” show host Savannah Guthrie has not been heard from since an evening of dinner and games with family members.

www.nytimes.com

Am I reading this right? Today the NY Times Newspaper runs a story on The Nancy Guthrie Case that is ‘sourced’ from a transcript from Meghan Kelly’s Show with her guest Brian Entin several days ago.

My Opinion ONLY In the program Megan Kelly or Brian Entin are absolutely just chatting & speculating on events.​

Ok from what I can gather from the transcript:
Brian Entin went to some ‘nameless church’ near Nancy Guthrie’s home. He was accompanied by his producer and they both spoke ‘to someone who identified themselves as a paster’. I am not sure from there in their reporting exactly what ‘the question was’ or ‘what church’ or ‘what paster they are interviewing in this report’

Are other people as confused as I am?

 

[nightowl2728]

Theory (I don't necessarily believe this but it fits some gaps in my questions) - AB was told to "leak" LE info that SIL was a prime suspect early on. Planned in order to make actual perp more comfortable. Return to AG's home last night to take photos for 3 hours and have evidence gloves on, highly visible to many reporters at end of street, was again purposeful distraction from actual LE recovery efforts elsewhere. Family is in on this plan. Thoughts?

 

[louvillian08]

Sometimes, when a crime is carefully thought out, in detail, with all sorts of deflections to hide actual facts, the perpetrator(s) can be identified because of a simple mistake.
oops

In this case, (maybe) the churchgoer call. So simple for LE to discover it never happened....no record of the call, or text, or whatever communication, on either of the subjects' phone.

We see this often. A small thing throws a wrench into the whole well plotted crime and leads to the culprits.

This would be an absolutely massive, and unforced error. If we’re going with the theory that it needed to be SIL/AG that officially discovered her missing (for some reason) there would be no reason for them to lie about something so easily provable. They could have lied and said she was supposed to come over for lunch, didn’t show and wasn’t answering her phone so they went to check on her. And if you’re trying to get away with a crime, why would you intentionally get LE involved earlier than needed?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

They know and for some reason they don’t want us to know. One reason why is privacy/safety for the individual. A perp could attempt to remove this individual from the conversation. Witnesses are not typically liked by the perps.

But they have great legal and professional ways to state without revealing.....
We really do need this clarification.

 

[Charlot123]

Who wrote the extortion email? How do we know these are the abductors?


Anyone can write an email asking for money. That doesn't mean they are kidnappers. They could be scammers and totally unrelated to this.

You know who could pull such a stint? A person of Jacques Moretti type (the owner of "constellation", a Swiss bar that burned). Criminal background, investing into legal businesses.

Maybe someone like this is now having a cousin living in the US...

I think there is a high chance that the cryptocurrency will end up in the hands of the scammer somewhere either way, but:

JMO:

- if NG was "disappeared" by someone known to her and is either kept somewhere or, sadly, expired, and the abductors asked some "crypto guru" to help them get ransom:

then, who can guarantee that the said "guru" is interested in forwarding cash to "the ones who disappeared her"? He won't! Sending the money back ties the person with the crime! While keeping it is a smaller deal. Just "accepting a crypto transaction".

- so if the person is just a scammer then the family has neither money nor Nancy

- however: if it is "a family member of someone close to the Gs" and the said member is living abroad and dealing in crypto, then he will buy a family business such as a restaurant back home, and the "person the Gs know" will sooner or later leave the US and join the family business. But I doubt that it will return NG back.

I think the timing is interesting. There are Olympics going on in Europe. The Interpol is busy. So one wonders.

 

[swanniee11]

A closer look at the “ table or case “

https://twitter.com/x/status/2020399201578856886

I'm bringing this forward for reference. I know this is going to sound crazy and I'm not sure if it was mentioned but could that table looking thing be a table top MahJong game table? It was said they played that Saturday night? Just thinking of weird stuff apparently. IMO
Also, IMO but if the family had nothing to do with it and they are searching AG's property could they think that while everyone was at Nancy's house Sunday that she could have been put on AG's property? Again, just stuff going through my head. IMO

 

[Vaderman]

Guys, this is the earliest press conference I found. Well worth a watch:

Thank you so much! I don't think I've seen this one and so much gets lost in the fog of war.

 

[Cassie P]

Murdered that night and dumped in the desert. The kidnapping is just a red herring to draw attention away from the murder. And possibly to collect a larger insurance payout.

How would kidnapping mean a bigger insurance payout?

 

[ZZZZZZZZZZ]

LE wouldn't have fabricated that the family told him that somebody from church called them to let them know she wasn't at church. That's too specific for him to loosely mention it in that first presser. MO

The family could have told him that, making his statement true. That it actually happened is not necessarily true.