AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[desert-blue]

Thanks for this. It also clears up the questions about their financial situation, at least in terms of property taxes. They paid the first half for 2025 on time and the second half isn’t due until March 2, 2026. No payments in the past years listed were overdue.

Whatever else may be going on with them they’re paying taxes on time.

They just bought the house last year, though.

 

[Bodhi]

Question. How long would a bike ride take from AG house to NG house at say 1:30am with no traffic and back roads?

Google Maps will give you biking time as well as distance, driving time, public transit, walking time.

 

[NewYork625]

DBM

 

[KBlackRabbit]

They just bought the house last year, though.

Okay thanks. For the time they’ve had it they’ve been paying on time.

 

[SMK777]

Apologies if this has already been posted, I cannot keep up with this thread.

Link to Article referenced in attached screenshot from True Crime Society’s Instagram Story

Thanks for posting.
I'm getting more confused and just thinking myself in circles now...

 

[NewYork625]

DBM

 

[Winter67]

What a nightmare. I've been glued for information because it's so heartbreaking. I am surprised that SG has not come out in defense of her sister and brother-in-law. She's fiesty and very loyal and honest from what I've seen over the years. Just surprised she hasn't addressed it. I pray it's not a family member, what a devastating end that would be. Thanks to all of you on here as I check in when I need trusted news during work hours. Been here a long time and my first place to check in for the latest. Let's all pray for Nancy and all the missing others that keep us coming back.

 

[Bodhi]

I would be INCANDESCENT with rage if I found out local authorities hadn't welcomed the Feds with open arms and coffee to assist in finding my apparently kidnapped mother.

Single anonymous source. Local LE may have a different version of events.

 

[TKG]

The ransom note came, what, three days later? You know who would know where specific things were found in the house? Law enforcement. Detectives. Who knows if any of them ran their mouths and someone is trying to cash in with a fake ransom. The police seem to be in over their heads and making a lot of mistakes. Who knows if they let some info slip out. They could have said to someone (family, friends) without thinking where they found her watch. I don’t get the feeling that they’re doing things by the book. A lot of mistakes.

I do not understand why wait three days? Why not leave the note in the house?

 

[tarabull]

Modnote: If anyone can find this for me, we can put it over on the Media Thread. Seems like it would be good to have handy.
Never Mind, I picked it up from a later post and moved it over there.

O/T Shux I missed your *Never Mind* update...been off digging lol ha.

 

[TheDinks]

Single anonymous source. Local LE may have a different version of events.

Well, Sheriff Nanos did give a very different take in a presser. I can't recall his exact words but remember he said something like "no ego" and they were thankful and welcome the Bureau working alongside them.

 

[KonaHonu]

Huh?

Yes, really! A judicial warrant must be specific about what they are looking for and they must state evidence upon which they have reasonable articulable suspicion for a judge to issue the warrant. The warrant is then limited to the specific items the warrant authorizes to search for. There is also a report generated from a judicial warrant within a few days specifying exactly what was found and seized.

So let's say they get a warrant to search for blood droplets or other evidence related to the kidnapping of NG...

Then they find 100 kg of cocaine...

In general they cannot sieze the cocaine nor can they use the findings of the kidnapping search to get a new warrant for the cocaine. In some cases they can if they can find other evidence to connect it the the kidnapping, and in some jurisdictions the restrictions may be more lax.

Judicial searches must be specific and supported by reasonable evidence acquired through regular investigation.

In a traffic stop, yes they can seize anything in plain sight because traffic stops are different. But not in a house search unless a judge specifically authorizes it.

Consentual searches are a free for all. They can take anything. Looking for kidnapping evidence but find your anal sex tape and it is illegal in your jurisdiction or it's not but you are a high profile person, public servant, teacher or whatever...now they have leveredge. There are no circumstances whatsoever I would ever submit to a voluntary search! And I really have nothing to hide. But to a stupid cop, my tiny ziplocs and scale for measuring cooking herbs are what they are taught are indicators of drug dealing. I don't need that when I can just say no. If they want to get a judicial warrant, fine, then they are restricted to what they specifically said they were looking for and the specific crimes they stated in the warrant.

 

[MesquiteO21]

That’s the thing though….According to the guy from TMZ - who also received the first ransom note - the note said the Apple Watch was not in a place one would typically think it would be and he thinks that got the FBI’s attention.

Interesting, I’ve been wondering about that. I kinda figured it had to be specific and not in a general/common area but you never know

Choosing TMZ is curious and possibly telling. My gut reaction is that the letter author is younger, like no older than 30. Not entirely excluding a boomer, gen x, or elder millenial but it wasn’t even sent to TMZ and NBC (which would be the more obvious/logical choice), it was sent to a celebrity gossip site that doesn’t have the classiest reputation — why? I mean that’s weird, it just is. Strikes me as teenage behavior honestly (or someone trying to pose as one)

moo

 

[whowy]

Ma

If the ransom notes were able to confirm where specific, relevant items where in the home or how they were placed (watch, etc), or what had been done to things (flood lights), then that would indicate that these things were done on purpose (duh) and with specific intent to use as confirmation of the abduction. Kind of like a serial killer and his trophies. This would then suggest that this was a well-sorted event and that the perp or perps knew in advance that there would need to be multiple special, unusual things done at, near, and/or to the home to prove that their demands were authentic. They also knew that these things would need to be done in advance if they had no intention or desire for intensive interactions, conversations, or negotiations with family or anyone else. In their eyes, perhaps, the authentication alone should be enough and there is no need to elaborate. Either pay or suffer consequences. "Believe me or not, I don't care!", in other words. This suggests complexity. And refinement. And a grudge.

Doing it this way would obviously be so that the perp(s) wouldn't put him/themselves at more risk of being tracked or located. And just like the letters being sent to media to publicize his/their brazen act, it also suggests that the ransom demand, fairly low by today's measures of wealth, could indeed be peripheral and not the primary reason for the abduction.

Just thinking a little (what is now likely considered) outside of the box.

JMO.

Maybe. But, if so - why delay sending that first ransom note? Is it possible that between the time LE arrived at NG's & the time the ransom note was drafted & sent - someone picked up chatter on Nextdoor including info on-lookers overheard in conversations between the first responders? Like, "yeah we found her wallet and watch on the bathroom floor & one of the floodlights is damaged."

 

[Wsimm]

Single anonymous source. Local LE may have a different version of events.

They possibly do, but incandescent rage has now been added to my personal vocabulary.

 

[nightowl2728]

I'm still struggling to understand the ransom element today. And thank you for all of the great late night analysis.

Shouldn't this be clear, or if not, what am I missing? -

If the individual(s) who abducted NG (whether or not she is alive right now) are the ransomers, SG and her family should have NG back right now, or at least her body (which is awful to type out and I hope isn't the case). SG said they would pay. But they don't have NG (in any sense, to our knowledge).

WHY? Is it because the ransomers ARE NOT the abductors/murderers? Or... what? I'm not sure what other option there would be.
To me, a deadline from the ransomers actually works in the family's favor to create a known outcome.

 

[Simply Southern]

Sounds like that Sheriffs Dept is a mess.

And THAT is why they have to keep going back to the houses. IMO

Moo … Ariel footage over the last few days gives the appearance of “busy work”. (local fox had their drone up) I watch two LE looking down the “hole” with pin lights and poke with a stick it seemed like forever. Several just wondering around the back of the property. They don’t appear to be doing anything.

A mess …YES the Sheriff had LE out searching with FLASHLIGHTS!!!!! so not to violate the lighting ordinance. Come on !!!!

I think more and more the Banfield source may have planted the thought, SIL was a POI to deflect from incompetence and lack of support for FBI. Maybe the Sheriff thought that initially and why he didn’t provide a proper investigation.

All my opinion …

 

[KonaHonu]

Well, Sheriff Nanos did give a very different take in a presser. I can't recall his exact words but remember he said something like "no ego" and they were thankful and welcome the Bureau working alongside them.

Having lived in Tucson for 40+ years before moving away, it's not surprising that federal agents would get a less than warm welcome, especially in the current political environment. As they say about Austin, Tucson is a blueberry in a bowl of tomato soup - a very liberal democratic area in a red (maybe purple) state.

Tucson has a very high Hispanic population, many of whom are descendants of the people inhabiting the area after the Treaty of Guadaloupe Hidalgo and Gadsden Purchase who were guaranteed US citizenship for them and their descendants. They are not immigrants. They are indigenous. So yes, there is a lot of anger toward the US forgetting these treaty obligations.

But I think it is sad that people would react this way to FBI agents arriving to help save and find one of our (their) own. Let's debate or politics in the appropriate forum but let's welcome professionals bringing skills and equipment to save an innocent old woman! And the mother of our neighbors.

 

[nightowl2728]

Moo … Ariel footage over the last few days gives the appearance of “busy work”. (local fox had their drone up) I watch two LE looking down the “hole” with pin lights and poke with a stick it seemed like forever. Several just wondering around the back of the property. They don’t appear to be doing anything.

A mess …YES the Sheriff had LE out searching with FLASHLIGHTS!!!!! so not to violate the lighting ordinance. Come on !!!!

I think more and more the Banfield source may have planted the thought, SIL was a POI to deflect from incompetence and lack of support for FBI. Maybe the Sheriff thought that initially and why he didn’t provide a proper investigation.

All my opinion …

I've been starting to think the past 24 hours or so that the "searches" at the Guthrie homes have just been distractions. For the most part given the proximity and access media/random people have had to the homes. During the time of the searches - who is there, what they are bringing in/taking out, etc. - as well as otherwise. There's no crime tape, that I'm aware of, or anyone making sure the scenes aren't compromised except for private security hired by the Guthries', not LE. To my knowledge, I haven't heard differently

 

[agilbe]

I'm unfamiliar with pacemakers. The pacemaker was able to sync with both her apple watch and her phone? The watch was in the house but I think I read at the beginning her phone was found in her car. I remember that because I thought it was strange that she didn't take it into the house with her. Unless she called the Uber and dropped it in her car when it got there. But why not take it to her daughter's house. TIA