• #19,041
TMZ has a vested interest in this, and they desperately want the note to be connected to the person who actually took her.
I agree they have a vested interest, so confirmation is important. But I will also say that I've found they have a pretty good track record of having solid sources, and also not making things up. Then again, there is a first time for everything, and skepticism isn't a bad practice in this case...
 
  • #19,042
I’m freaking out here about swat. Yet no one else is commenting on it.
 
  • #19,043
Removing the camera stopped it from overwriting future footage so Google/Nest was able to obtain it.
ohhh but that doesn't mean that someone on the phone would have it though I think Google had it in their systems as the last image. Otherwise whatever device even NG used to see footage would have had stored to rewind/playback..which would mean they had this the whole time.
 
  • #19,044
I mean so many people have cameras esp in nice areas - for various reasons, but I though they said that the houses weren't close enough to really get images of activity at NG house
I was thinking more if they picked up in cars passing.
 
  • #19,045
I'm waiting for someone more reliable than TMZ to corroborate this.

TMZ has a vested interest in this, and they desperately want the note to be connected to the person who actually took her.

Seeing this suspect today I have no doubt at least the first ransom letter is legit. JMO.
 
  • #19,046
Depends on the nature and severity of her hearing loss. Maybe her dog came beside her barking when the doorbell rang or someone entered the house.
somone on this thread said the black dog is not Nancy’s. I think it was said it was Annie’s
 
  • #19,047
What caught my attention in the FBI flyer is the mention of contacting an American embassy or consulate.

Is there any suspicion from the FBI that the suspect could be a foreign national?

THAT would be tarabully interesting!!
 
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Why would he want to expose his eyes and mouth? Like why not wear night vision glasses? Also, not cold in Tucson and he seems to wear such padded clothing.
The eyes look like a woman’s eyes. The body looks like a male, but maybe it’s a female with a lot of padded clothes on.
 
  • #19,049
I'm waiting for someone more reliable than TMZ to corroborate this.

TMZ has a vested interest in this, and they desperately want the note to be connected to the person who actually took her.
My thoughts exactly.
 
  • #19,050
I think you can see the images in real time as they are happening but it won't be retained. So for example say she had work being done at the house and AG or NG wanted to check before coming back if they were done - you look at the camera on your phone to see what is happening at the moment. But depending on the camera you would have very little if any ability to rewind or see anything that already happened. And if they weren't awake then they won't see what is happening or know what happened.
It would be ",just desserts" if the perp's act of removing the front door camera is exactly what prevented the stored images from being overwritten and lost forever.
 
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I'm still on page 868 (apologize if this has been discussed) but studying photo of potential perp, wondering about wearing a jacket -- I think of Tucson being warm. Thinking a jacket with backpack and a knit balaclava might have been hot clothing on Jan 31/Feb 1.

Also, noticed that at start of the video, perp appears to not be wearing the backpack (don't see straps at start), but once on porch he does have it on.

Source

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It’s been mentioned that the suspect may have initially gotten in elsewhere, and he was seen on camera at the front porch after he’d already been in the house. Perhaps assessing best way to get her out.
 
  • #19,052
I'd def turn in a family member. I submitted my 23&me to GEDmatch for this purpose. Any one who commits a crime should have to face consequences. I don't care if it's a relative.
I also uploaded to GEDmatch for this exact reason.
 
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DEVELOPING: Two SWAT armored vehicles have just departed the Pima County Sheriff’s Department parking lot, heading in different directions. Sources say the activity is connected to the search for Nancy Guthrie. At the same time, the FBI presence outside Annie’s house is increasing, but I don’t see any tactical gear here. At least 10 agents in the neighborhood canvassing right now.
 
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BREAKING: Two SWAT armored vehicles departed the Pima County Sheriff’s parking lot Tuesday evening.

Two sources tell Fox News Digital the SWAT roll out is related to the Nancy Guthrie case. It is unclear at this time where the SWAT vehicles went.


 
  • #19,055
I’ve been leaning toward a stranger (or at least family not involved) especially since the footage dropped but the FBI presence at AG’s house is too odd.
 
  • #19,056
It would be ",just desserts" if the perp's act of removing the front door camera is exactly what prevented the stored images from being overwritten and lost forever.
That would be absolutely perfect...wouldn't it?
 
  • #19,057
I'm waiting for someone more reliable than TMZ to corroborate this.

TMZ has a vested interest in this, and they desperately want the note to be connected to the person who actually took her.
I wish they would release those notes to the public! Someone could recognize a phrase, wording, just anything that might help. jmoo
 
  • #19,058
This is huge if verified. Means she may just actually be alive. Not a huge chance, but not 0!

JMO.
It would be the most incredible, wonderful thing if she was found alive! Talk about a CELEBRATION!
 
  • #19,059
I didn’t want to think SIL was involved but clearly LE does seem to think he is. I wonder what evidence they’ve found tying him to it? The guy at the door isn’t SIL and he looks younger than their age demographic, who could it be? All so complex and horrible 😭
This made me think of Pamela Smart. No further comment.
 
  • #19,060
If what’s being said about the note offering to return Nancy within 12 hours of receiving the ransom is true, then my first thought was it could be someone who’s local and wants to seem further away than they are to divert attention from areas they’ve been canvassing?
 
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