• #20,701
I'm just not loving this being the guy. Apparently this was based on a "tip," and the interview with his mother-in-law did not give me a warm fuzzy feeling.

We've seen this in a couple recent cases, where the Feds jump the gun. More of the same I fear.
Agreed, but hoping they know more than we do.
 
  • #20,702
I would like to see an accurate pic of him. Not sure if we have an accurate likeness of him posted. But he sounds low income, possible recent incarceration from what has been posted here. He regularly travels to Tucson... with the right connections, he may be a guy to to the task. MOO


Josefina described her son-in-law as a “good guy,” who does not have a criminal record or history of being violent. After being shown surveillance photos of the individual on Nancy Guthrie’s ring camera, Josefina denied it beared a resemblance to Carlos.

BBM - not saying MIL's word should be taken as complete truth but this is what she has said
 
  • #20,703
She changed her story significantly. The first video (posted up thread) she says she told them to search her house because they have nothing to hide. This latest video she flips the script and says they entered without a warrant, she told them they can't do it without a warrant but they insisted they don't need a warrant. Sketchy behavior IMO. She may just be changing her story to try to sue LE later or something stupid like that. Hard to say at this point but she was definitely caught in a big lie there.

Yeah, I am not sure I think she is a reliable witness. Maybe it's because it's all happening so fast, maybe she's realized how deep her SIL could possibly be in.
 
  • #20,704
Would love to know what they presented to a judge to get this search warrant.
 
  • #20,705
I'm skeptical he's the guy (in either the ransom or the kidnapping, assuming they're unrelated or related) unless he's just one part of a larger group conspiracy in this. JMO.
I think it's more likely he attempted to scam family with the bitcoin ransom notes
 
  • #20,706
She changed her story significantly. The first video (posted up thread) she says she told them to search her house because they have nothing to hide. This latest video she flips the script and says they entered without a warrant, she told them they can't do it without a warrant but they insisted they don't need a warrant. Sketchy behavior IMO. She may just be changing her story to try to sue LE later or something stupid like that. Hard to say at this point but she was definitely caught in a big lie there.
Was she inviting the reporter or LE to search?
 
  • #20,707
She changed her story significantly. The first video (posted up thread) she says she told them to search her house because they have nothing to hide. This latest video she flips the script and says they entered without a warrant, she told them they can't do it without a warrant but they insisted they don't need a warrant. Sketchy behavior IMO. She may just be changing her story to try to sue LE later or something stupid like that. Hard to say at this point but she was definitely caught in a big lie there.
The tip was supposedly that Nancy was in there, so they wouldn't need a warrant in the first place (exigency).
 
  • #20,708
I would like to see an accurate pic of him. Not sure if we have an accurate likeness of him posted. But he sounds low income, possible recent incarceration from what has been posted here. He regularly travels to Tucson... with the right connections, he may be a guy to to the task. MOO
To be clear, the son is NOT who shows as having a previous (horrible) arrest. Its (possibly) his father who has the same name.
 
  • #20,709
Thinking back to the security camera footage of the neighbor in Nancy’s neighborhood who had a trespasser… was the trespasser wearing a FedEx uniform or something similar?
It looked like an amazon vest. But that guy was much younger.
 
  • #20,710
I think it's more likely he attempted to scam family with the bitcoin ransom notes
But he doesn't sound sophisticated enough for TOR/Onion VPN routing though imo
 
  • #20,711
IMO, if this guy is a bona fide POI, he didn't do this alone. I'd think he is part of a group, perhaps each accomplice having a particular role.
 
  • #20,712
I think it's more likely he attempted to scam family with the bitcoin ransom notes
Yeah, if I was to pick one or the other, that'd be it. Still skeptical though. JMO.
 
  • #20,713
  • #20,714
I'm just not loving this being the guy. Apparently this was based on a "tip," and the interview with his mother-in-law did not give me a warm fuzzy feeling.

We've seen this in a couple recent cases, where the Feds jump the gun. More of the same I fear.

I hear you, but they don't issue warrants solely based on tips.

JMO.
 
  • #20,715
The tip was supposedly that Nancy was in there, so they wouldn't need a warrant in the first place (exigency).
I’m not sure the tip thing was actually true. It’s just a way to get around explaining the evidence used in your probably sealed search warrant so that it doesn’t leak out when she inevitably goes and talks to half a dozen media outlets.

JMO
 
  • #20,716
Nancy still not being found is the saddest part. 😞 If this is the guy, (I hate to even say it) he would've had to kill her and hide her body immediately. Sounds like their house is way too crowded to conceal anyone. And he still thought he could get a ransom and get away with it?

I hope there's still a chance Nancy's okay 💔 If this isn't the guy and just a Bitcoin scammer, where is Nancy? 😕

I guess it'll be easier to answer whether it's him when or if LE chooses to publish photos of this guy.. see if his build and face matches the guy in the footage.
 
  • #20,717
To be clear, the son is NOT who shows as having a previous (horrible) arrest. Its (possibly) his father who has the same name.
Can you say what the arrest was for? Is he a sex offender?
 
  • #20,718
I'm skeptical he's the guy (in either the ransom or the kidnapping, assuming they're unrelated or related) unless he's just one part of a larger group conspiracy in this. JMO.
It's definitely possible - 'detained for questioning' runs the spectrum of 'we got 'em' to 'released a few hours later, uninvolved'.

What is your theory of why they might have picked him up.
 
  • #20,719
Yes, she seemed to contradict herself. She did say that, but she also said she arrived and LE had already broken down her door, handcuffed her son etc. She was interviewed by diff folks CNN and BE. When she said "go ahead search" I think she was being honest but was reciting conversation with LE and cooperating while they had already started searching.
You have to cut her some slack if we assume this person is one of the wanted and that the MIL knew nothing, then she's in a bit of shock, fear, anger, and probably many other emotional states. She's scared. I would be too.
 
  • #20,720
I’m not sure the tip thing was actually true. It’s just a way to get around explaining the evidence used in your probably sealed search warrant so that it doesn’t leak out when she inevitably goes and talks to half a dozen media outlets.

JMO
Good point. Hopefully that’s the case.
 
Chapter 1/4

Guardians Monthly Goal

Staff online

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
63
Guests online
2,895
Total visitors
2,958

Forum statistics

Threads
644,220
Messages
18,813,161
Members
245,327
Latest member
ceejayy
Top