AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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It said ‘lost connection’ at 2.28am so that implies they have data that shows connectivity up to this point, which is probably based on the Bluetooth connectivity history on the phone.
perhaps this will help...
Technical questions here about pacemakers and trackers (phone/watch), if anyone knows the answers.

What specific type of transmission mechanisn does a pacemaker use to send info to a watch or phone? Perhaps microwave? (I believe Bluetooth uses microwave) or maybe radio signals?

and

How does the pacemaker know it is connecting to the correct tracker? In other words, if you go into the retirement home tv room and there are four elders with pacemakers and each has their phone or watch, how does the technology make sure each pacemaker only reports to the proper tracker? Serial number or similar when creating the account? Or is there actually a chance they could interfere with each other?

Thanks in advance to anyone who helps me understand how this works.
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I have a pacemaker with monitoring. It communicates with my app via radio frequency (commonly referred to as Bluetooth nowadays). It does not communicate 24/7. This is where people are getting confused. Every night between midnight and 3 am usually, the app sends an interrogation to my pacemaker, and only my pacemaker not anyone else's, and my pacemaker sends a data pack to the app. If the app receives a data pack with concerning data it is then transmitted to the monitoring company. Then nothing else happens until the next interrogation 24 hours later.

It looks like what happened in this case is the app sent an interrogation at 2:28 am but the pacemaker did not answer. This happens sometimes with mine if my phone is dead or not in range when the interrogation is sent.

The important thing to keep in mind is this is not like an EKG that is collecting and sending data in real time. The pacemaker and app are not talking to each other outside of the routine nightly interrogation. The only thing that should be assumed from the 2:18 am disconnected information is that when the app sent a query to the pacemaker the app could not contact the pacemaker because it was out of range
 
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Thank you for trying to get this point across. I have given up! People still want to believe 2:28am means the time when NG was last at her home. She was already gone by that time.
But a bluetooth connection to the phone is a constant ... until it isn't.... when it's out of range.

I believe this is what happened, no syncing, no downloading/transmitting of data to a doc or whatever else it does.

JMO
 
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If held for unreasonable amount of time for them to investigate probable cause and left in handcuffs, a detainment, can become a defacto arrest. That detainee needs council. If what he said was true, his rights were likely violated.

Thanks. I have obviously been thinking about this. I do hope that LE /FBI knows these time constraints.
Do you think we will be able to get those details.

Actually, I do hope they did everything by the book, and did not violate his rights.........
All we need is another sideline media circus.
 
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I think you're confusing two things.

You need a tool to remove the doorbell from the mount. Some people might call it a "key," and this example of a replacement does, but as you can see it's just a thin piece of metal. You can (and I have) use anything that fits in the hole to remove the camera. This is not a "key" in the traditional sense, and requires nothing particularly special. IMO it says absolutely nothing about any prior knowledge or access.

Second, a few people have posted completely unsubstantiated claims that the intruder may have had a key to the house. I personally find this unlikely, and I don't think we have seen any credible reports or evidence to suggest it, but of course I am open to changing my mind if someone provides sources. I think this is just a random theory that someone posted in this thread and others ran with it.
Only someone who cares about removing the camera without damaging it would bother using the key. Someone already planning to force their way into another person's home doesn't care if the camera is damaged by brute-force.
 
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I have one, its not a key a such but a sort of flat plastic item that you need to insert behind the housing, quite easy to remove if you know how, but you do need to remove it, and that takes time and a little experience to do so. So I think this person knows how to do it, but He or she isn't the quickest at doing it.
I'm guessing that one key works for all and not like car keys where each is individual?
 
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Exactly. I say this as a true-crime and breaking-news aficionado....we don't need LIVE COVERAGE of police investigations. Media followed LE from house-to-house yesterday. It's too much.

We can get information from written articles and prepared video. Those are fast enough and provide a moment of breathing space for everyone.

An investigation can be transparent without being broadcast live.

jmopinion
The Media Coverage is TOO MUCH and I fear it may cause serious consequences for the investigation.

Imagine if you are the person holding Nancy (if that’s ever been a thing), and you see this all unfolding. I’m going to call it quits, get rid of evidence and hopefully disappear.

Nancy never comes home, alive or deceased.

I think this has turned into a circus and it’s appalling

MOO
 
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He looks Hispanic to me. Nothing wrong with stating that IMO.
I agree. Let me say, too, I am married to an Hispanic person, so no racial motivation here. As a society, we have just really swung so far the other way. Now you cannot even throw out an ethnicity or nationality without being labeled racist.
 
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@thefragile7393 , are you local?

If so, are you aware of this newscaster, Ford Hatchett??? I feel he is conducting a good interview here.

HIS interview with the detainee is the best to me, because it was immediate, fresh and more authentic (Before this fellow starts talking to all media for his 15 minutes)

Ford Hatchett ABC15 Tucson

Yes I am local but I’ve never heard of this person. To be fair, ABC 15 is a Phoenix station so I’ve never seen him before but IMO this seems like a very good interview as well
 
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Media did not stop a man, arrest him, break into his MIL's home. They reported what the FBI was doing. Fair game.
No one was arrested. He was detained and released.
 
  • #21,331
Painkillers are not required to preserve life. Elderly people have aches and pains and limited mobility so she probably took painkillers to relieve pain. A pacemaker doesn’t need to sync with a phone in order to keep working. In other words, there is nothing to suggest her life was threatened due to lack of medicines. She could very well still be alive.
Her family said she needed medication to survive. That wasn’t pulled out of the ether. The public was told this. I’ve never thought or said that NG has passed and I still continue to be cautiously optimistic that she is alive. I was only stating what has been released to the public by the sheriff and family, nothing more.
 
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Painkillers are not required to preserve life. Elderly people have aches and pains and limited mobility so she probably took painkillers to relieve pain. A pacemaker doesn’t need to sync with a phone in order to keep working. In other words, there is nothing to suggest her life was threatened due to lack of medicines. She could very well still be alive.
But...that's what we were told from the get-go.
 
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Maybe she received a cease and desist.
Or, if they really are good friends, maybe Savannah just asked her to stop.
 
  • #21,334
He doesn't remember her name and he may have delivered packages to her address? Also seems detached that what's her name was kidnapped like he hasn't heard her name a million times if he has a TV or social media
Why would he remember delivering a package to an address? If he works for FedEx Amazon or UPS and side hustles doordash he's going to more houses than you could ever imagine. Also, some people literally do not watch any news. They live in their own bubbles worrying about their own problems.
 
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I agree. Let me say, too, I am married to an Hispanic person, so no racial motivation here. As a society, we have just really swung so far the other way. Now you cannot even throw out an ethnicity or nationality without being labeled racist.
I think IMO we can’t tell race or ethnicity because of the mask, truly. We can’t see many features at all and unless I can see the person in front of me and listen to voice, I personally wouldn’t be able to tell by these pictures alone
 
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perhaps this will help...

I have a pacemaker with monitoring. It communicates with my app via radio frequency (commonly referred to as Bluetooth nowadays). It does not communicate 24/7. This is where people are getting confused. Every night between midnight and 3 am usually, the app sends an interrogation to my pacemaker, and only my pacemaker not anyone else's, and my pacemaker sends a data pack to the app. If the app receives a data pack with concerning data it is then transmitted to the monitoring company. Then nothing else happens until the next interrogation 24 hours later.

It looks like what happened in this case is the app sent an interrogation at 2:28 am but the pacemaker did not answer. This happens sometimes with mine if my phone is dead or not in range when the interrogation is sent.

The important thing to keep in mind is this is not like an EKG that is collecting and sending data in real time. The pacemaker and app are not talking to each other outside of the routine nightly interrogation. The only thing that should be assumed from the 2:18 am disconnected information is that when the app sent a query to the pacemaker the app could not contact the pacemaker because it was out of range
Yes, it does not communicate with the app but while the Bluetooth connection is enabled there will be constant/regular connectivity between the two while they are in range, this is separate from when it is actively transmitting the data across.
 
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Good morning.

I would like to start the day by expressing an opinion about what we all saw last night in contrast to what is being reported this morning.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/nancy-guthrie-savannah-missing-mom-02-11-26

There was, indeed, a vigorous flutter of hopeful excitement when news broke about a POI being detained during a traffic stop, and the movement of LE in a specific direction. There was even a rising thrum of expectation that air traffic indicated movement to a hospital and, Lord willing, it was NG being taken for treatment.

The moment a location was given, the moment a woman was interviewed on camera and, in the deep emotion of the moment, revealed a name, muttered a last name, a deep dive into the who and where and what started. There was even speculation about whether a person with a similar-sounding last name, and who happened to be a sex offender, was THE person!!!!!

Warrant. They had a warrant! They don't need a warrant. And so on and so forth. The woman allowed them into the house, AND they had a warrant! Phones were taken. Her information was inconsistent...where does the son-in-law work? Where what how...was he driving a van for work???? Would you drive an UBER for an HOUR, and so on and so forth.

Of course we all want NG found. Absolutely! Why else would people from across the world at all hours be peeking in, commenting, proposing scenarios, etc.?

But...

Let's look at the other side, please, because not everyone will process the vague information we have about the person detained last night in the same way:

1) A journalist (dedicated, reliable, exhausted) made the decision to interview a household member live on air.
2) Said household member, in her anxiety and confusion about what was happening quite suddenly to her and her family, revealed snippets of information.
3) A warrant was present, but the search was conducted with her authorization because, as she stated, she had nothing to hide.
4) The first name and mumbled last name offered, in her ignorance (because she didn't realize the can of worms she was opening, of this I am 100% sure), were pounced on and people started digging. Maps, newspaper articles, a potential criminal history.
5) The information she offered under the strain and stress of the situation that was "inconsistent" was used to further justify pointing a finger a digging deeper.

This morning, the POI has been released, but the consequences for this family are far from over. Is the person they detained involved? Honestly, at this point, we don't know. He might have been released pending further investigation and he might be under surveillance even as I type this. We simply DO NOT KNOW.

However, somewhere out there, people who very willingly believe the worst and need to prop up certain personal beliefs will use "Hispanic male", "suspected sex offender", "driving a white van", and conclude "is he even legally in this country?"

We don't know the immigration status of this family, but I am sure we will get chapter and verse, plus added curlicues and frills in short order.

Regardless of your feelings about immigration in this country (and I do not judge people's opinions on this matter because each person has their reasons for holding fast to a particular set of values, peace to you,) an interview given in a moment of stress by a journalist who should have exercised a moment of discretion and still conveyed the gist of the conversation to his viewers undoubtedly will fuel ill-feeling towards people who might/might not be in the know about NG's whereabouts, or what happened at her home.

Full disclosure: I am Hispanic, and my vernacular is Spanish. I was born a US citizen (8 USC §1402 and the Jones-Shafroth Act of 1917) and I am fully bilingual; if you saw me on the street, you would probably think "Mediterranean ancestry? Jewish?" and you'd be correct on both counts. If you spoke to me, you would think I grew up somewhere in the Midwest because that's where the nuns from our school came from. Our last name is so "generic" that we've had people checking our credit in situ tell us that our names come up in an FBI list for wanted drug dealers.

My personal experience is neither here nor there other than it triggers empathy for NG and her family, but it also triggers the understanding that revealing the POI's name and interviewing his mother-in-law on air, and allowing her stress-induced indiscretion in revealing what she did will have serious consequences for this family.

In school (many, many years ago), we studied US History and Civics and Government. My presence (legal...I feel compelled to repeat this because words can be misconstrued very easily in an age when everyone skims and reading comprehension has lost the weight it once carried) in this country as a full-time resident (to the extent of not having gone home for funerals or vacations or flying visits) has now lasted 26 years and I expect to never see my island again...ever. In that time, the pursuit of truth and facts that are carefully and assiduously researched has given way to the instant gratification of "hits on Google".

I want, desperately, for NG to be found; I want her to be safe. I want her to be well. I wish her a peaceful rest of her life surrounded by her family, and some degree (because a totality, after this harrowing period, is never possible) of peace and ease of mind.

At the same time, I feel that we don't have a right to, in our zeal, tear into a family we don't feel as intimately connected to as we do the Guthries. There will be those who, regardless of this POI's release, will descend on his family with merciless anger. As of this moment, only CNN has reported the POI's release. ONE NEWS OUTLET that is widely viewed has reported this. ONE. I don't follow social media, but I am fairly certain that the backlash and the rhetoric about immigration is probably taking off like a Roman candle.

I don't want to be participant in that. That's not why I came here. I came here because one family had suffered a tremendously traumatic event, and I wanted to see NG found. In my stupid, old, possibly naive mind, the frenzy of identifying the POI and starting to gather random threads to weave some cloth based on mumbled information feels tremendously unfair.

Forgive me if you think these are the ravings of a post-menopausal woman who doesn't "get it". I thought we were here to be helpful to each other, to the victims and families. I went to bed last night thinking we might just have been participant in victimizing another family. Hyperbole, perhaps, but to me it's heartbreaking to see this happen.

I say all this with deep respect for everyone's opinion, and for the tremendous intelligence and dedication I have witnessed here. I will watch and listen, but I will not comment further. I want to see this through, but I feel I've said enough and cannot offer anything productive past this point.

Thank you for patience and your tolerance of my wordiness. Peace to all.
I’m behind you 100%. Beautifully written.
 
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He doesn't remember her name and he may have delivered packages to her address? Also seems detached that what's her name was kidnapped like he hasn't heard her name a million times if he has a TV or social media
You would think everyone in the area would be familiar with the case, but it doesn't seem that he or his family either were. Remember last night from the posts when the mother-in-law was saying sure, search our place, we have nothing to hide, and she could not come up with the name. When someone, perhaps the interviewer, prompted her, she agreed with the name. Not everyone stays tuned to the news, especially if they are scrambling, working multiple jobs, just trying to survive.
 
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Only someone who cares about removing the camera without damaging it would bother using the key. Someone already planning to force their way into another person's home doesn't care if the camera is damaged by brute-force. Doesn't the video end with the perpetrator picking up a rock?
Yeah, this is a good point. I have never tried removing my doorbells without the tool (I don't even currently have one, but I've had a few brands in the past), but I have no doubt that you could do it without much trouble if you don't care about damage. I will say, I saw no evidence of damage in the photos of the mount, but that doesn't mean that there's not damage to the (unrecovered, AFAIK) camera.

That said, to avoid perpetuating any tidbits of misinformation, I do not think there is any video of the perpetrator picking up a rock. Please provide a link if you have one, because I haven't seen that. There is video of them picking up the flowers from the ground, but that's all I'm aware of.
 
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Why would he remember delivering a package to an address? If he works for FedEx Amazon or UPS and side hustles doordash he's going to more houses than you could ever imagine. Also, some people literally do not watch any news. They live in their own bubbles worrying about their own problems.
I see your point but it also comes across defensively if there is evidence he had been at her address
 

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