AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

  • #21,341
Some guy's family was in the car, some kid was handcuffed in his house after LE knocked down their door.

I understand these things happen in investigations - the world is not perfect - that is not the issue as much as the world was in a frenzy to watch it and dig up dirt while LE is working the case.

It's like someone who ordered pizza delivered to NG's house yesterday. It's gross and not funny.

I'm having an existential moment as a true-crimer. Not gonna lie. This is not who I want to be.

Thank you for this.
I've been here nearly six years, logging in nearly every day, and I love the community, but this case has really given me pause. Not only for the many troubling comments but also for the increasing similarities to unhealthy social media platforms, most of which I've left because of the drama and, well, lies.
I think I need to take a pause.
 
  • #21,342
perhaps this will help...

I have a pacemaker with monitoring. It communicates with my app via radio frequency (commonly referred to as Bluetooth nowadays). It does not communicate 24/7. This is where people are getting confused. Every night between midnight and 3 am usually, the app sends an interrogation to my pacemaker, and only my pacemaker not anyone else's, and my pacemaker sends a data pack to the app. If the app receives a data pack with concerning data it is then transmitted to the monitoring company. Then nothing else happens until the next interrogation 24 hours later.

It looks like what happened in this case is the app sent an interrogation at 2:28 am but the pacemaker did not answer. This happens sometimes with mine if my phone is dead or not in range when the interrogation is sent.

The important thing to keep in mind is this is not like an EKG that is collecting and sending data in real time. The pacemaker and app are not talking to each other outside of the routine nightly interrogation. The only thing that should be assumed from the 2:18 am disconnected information is that when the app sent a query to the pacemaker the app could not contact the pacemaker because it was out of range
Yes, it does not communicate with the app but while the Bluetooth connection is enabled there will be constant/regular connectivity between the two while they are in range, this is separate from when it is actively transmitting the data across.
 
  • #21,343
Good morning.

I would like to start the day by expressing an opinion about what we all saw last night in contrast to what is being reported this morning.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/nancy-guthrie-savannah-missing-mom-02-11-26

There was, indeed, a vigorous flutter of hopeful excitement when news broke about a POI being detained during a traffic stop, and the movement of LE in a specific direction. There was even a rising thrum of expectation that air traffic indicated movement to a hospital and, Lord willing, it was NG being taken for treatment.

The moment a location was given, the moment a woman was interviewed on camera and, in the deep emotion of the moment, revealed a name, muttered a last name, a deep dive into the who and where and what started. There was even speculation about whether a person with a similar-sounding last name, and who happened to be a sex offender, was THE person!!!!!

Warrant. They had a warrant! They don't need a warrant. And so on and so forth. The woman allowed them into the house, AND they had a warrant! Phones were taken. Her information was inconsistent...where does the son-in-law work? Where what how...was he driving a van for work???? Would you drive an UBER for an HOUR, and so on and so forth.

Of course we all want NG found. Absolutely! Why else would people from across the world at all hours be peeking in, commenting, proposing scenarios, etc.?

But...

Let's look at the other side, please, because not everyone will process the vague information we have about the person detained last night in the same way:

1) A journalist (dedicated, reliable, exhausted) made the decision to interview a household member live on air.
2) Said household member, in her anxiety and confusion about what was happening quite suddenly to her and her family, revealed snippets of information.
3) A warrant was present, but the search was conducted with her authorization because, as she stated, she had nothing to hide.
4) The first name and mumbled last name offered, in her ignorance (because she didn't realize the can of worms she was opening, of this I am 100% sure), were pounced on and people started digging. Maps, newspaper articles, a potential criminal history.
5) The information she offered under the strain and stress of the situation that was "inconsistent" was used to further justify pointing a finger a digging deeper.

This morning, the POI has been released, but the consequences for this family are far from over. Is the person they detained involved? Honestly, at this point, we don't know. He might have been released pending further investigation and he might be under surveillance even as I type this. We simply DO NOT KNOW.

However, somewhere out there, people who very willingly believe the worst and need to prop up certain personal beliefs will use "Hispanic male", "suspected sex offender", "driving a white van", and conclude "is he even legally in this country?"

We don't know the immigration status of this family, but I am sure we will get chapter and verse, plus added curlicues and frills in short order.

Regardless of your feelings about immigration in this country (and I do not judge people's opinions on this matter because each person has their reasons for holding fast to a particular set of values, peace to you,) an interview given in a moment of stress by a journalist who should have exercised a moment of discretion and still conveyed the gist of the conversation to his viewers undoubtedly will fuel ill-feeling towards people who might/might not be in the know about NG's whereabouts, or what happened at her home.

Full disclosure: I am Hispanic, and my vernacular is Spanish. I was born a US citizen (8 USC §1402 and the Jones-Shafroth Act of 1917) and I am fully bilingual; if you saw me on the street, you would probably think "Mediterranean ancestry? Jewish?" and you'd be correct on both counts. If you spoke to me, you would think I grew up somewhere in the Midwest because that's where the nuns from our school came from. Our last name is so "generic" that we've had people checking our credit in situ tell us that our names come up in an FBI list for wanted drug dealers.

My personal experience is neither here nor there other than it triggers empathy for NG and her family, but it also triggers the understanding that revealing the POI's name and interviewing his mother-in-law on air, and allowing her stress-induced indiscretion in revealing what she did will have serious consequences for this family.

In school (many, many years ago), we studied US History and Civics and Government. My presence (legal...I feel compelled to repeat this because words can be misconstrued very easily in an age when everyone skims and reading comprehension has lost the weight it once carried) in this country as a full-time resident (to the extent of not having gone home for funerals or vacations or flying visits) has now lasted 26 years and I expect to never see my island again...ever. In that time, the pursuit of truth and facts that are carefully and assiduously researched has given way to the instant gratification of "hits on Google".

I want, desperately, for NG to be found; I want her to be safe. I want her to be well. I wish her a peaceful rest of her life surrounded by her family, and some degree (because a totality, after this harrowing period, is never possible) of peace and ease of mind.

At the same time, I feel that we don't have a right to, in our zeal, tear into a family we don't feel as intimately connected to as we do the Guthries. There will be those who, regardless of this POI's release, will descend on his family with merciless anger. As of this moment, only CNN has reported the POI's release. ONE NEWS OUTLET that is widely viewed has reported this. ONE. I don't follow social media, but I am fairly certain that the backlash and the rhetoric about immigration is probably taking off like a Roman candle.

I don't want to be participant in that. That's not why I came here. I came here because one family had suffered a tremendously traumatic event, and I wanted to see NG found. In my stupid, old, possibly naive mind, the frenzy of identifying the POI and starting to gather random threads to weave some cloth based on mumbled information feels tremendously unfair.

Forgive me if you think these are the ravings of a post-menopausal woman who doesn't "get it". I thought we were here to be helpful to each other, to the victims and families. I went to bed last night thinking we might just have been participant in victimizing another family. Hyperbole, perhaps, but to me it's heartbreaking to see this happen.

I say all this with deep respect for everyone's opinion, and for the tremendous intelligence and dedication I have witnessed here. I will watch and listen, but I will not comment further. I want to see this through, but I feel I've said enough and cannot offer anything productive past this point.

Thank you for patience and your tolerance of my wordiness. Peace to all.
I’m behind you 100%. Beautifully written.
 
  • #21,344
He doesn't remember her name and he may have delivered packages to her address? Also seems detached that what's her name was kidnapped like he hasn't heard her name a million times if he has a TV or social media
You would think everyone in the area would be familiar with the case, but it doesn't seem that he or his family either were. Remember last night from the posts when the mother-in-law was saying sure, search our place, we have nothing to hide, and she could not come up with the name. When someone, perhaps the interviewer, prompted her, she agreed with the name. Not everyone stays tuned to the news, especially if they are scrambling, working multiple jobs, just trying to survive.
 
  • #21,345
Only someone who cares about removing the camera without damaging it would bother using the key. Someone already planning to force their way into another person's home doesn't care if the camera is damaged by brute-force. Doesn't the video end with the perpetrator picking up a rock?
Yeah, this is a good point. I have never tried removing my doorbells without the tool (I don't even currently have one, but I've had a few brands in the past), but I have no doubt that you could do it without much trouble if you don't care about damage. I will say, I saw no evidence of damage in the photos of the mount, but that doesn't mean that there's not damage to the (unrecovered, AFAIK) camera.

That said, to avoid perpetuating any tidbits of misinformation, I do not think there is any video of the perpetrator picking up a rock. Please provide a link if you have one, because I haven't seen that. There is video of them picking up the flowers from the ground, but that's all I'm aware of.
 
  • #21,346
Why would he remember delivering a package to an address? If he works for FedEx Amazon or UPS and side hustles doordash he's going to more houses than you could ever imagine. Also, some people literally do not watch any news. They live in their own bubbles worrying about their own problems.
I see your point but it also comes across defensively if there is evidence he had been at her address
 
  • #21,347
He doesn't remember her name and he may have delivered packages to her address? Also seems detached that what's her name was kidnapped like he hasn't heard her name a million times if he has a TV or social media
Makes sense to me. It was one of many things he did that day IMO. They don’t keep accurate record of details off the tops of their heads IMO
 
  • #21,348
Not necessarily. It could be a matter of hours from getting the warrant sworn out to complete analysis since they’re operating under the assumption NG is alive and in danger. A warrant may have not even been necessary at first depending on what is requested and the circumstances - sometimes providers will willingly hand over the information with law enforcement swearing it’s a covered exception.

JMO
Thank you! Reason I was focusing on that is because if it did take awhile then I would think he would have been a person of interest prior to the video being released but it seems like that isn’t the case :)
 
  • #21,349
How did the perp get into the home? Is there any new information, that I am missing, that shared how they entered? Front, back? window? Were they let in? I would think that NG having a hearing aide and it being left behind, would mean she did not hear anything to answer a door?
 
  • #21,350
I see your point but it also comes across defensively if there is evidence he had been at her address
IMO I’d be defensive too if I was questioned about a crime I didn’t commit and they are wanting me to recall all these details that I couldn’t remember
 
  • #21,351
This theory doesn’t work IMO because we don’t know she had any life threatening medication needs and also wasn’t there some info shared by the kidnappers that was only known to NG’s inner circle, providing indirect proof of life? Can someone confirm this?
Most banks limit your daily withdrawals from an ATM to around 1200. This wasnt a 1200$ crime. Plus, going to an ATM means exposure to another camera..even IF NG made the withdrawal, it would have cameras in the parking lot or DEFINITELY a camera at the ATM which could pick up a part of a vehicle, the perps face etc. MOO As for life threatening medication...we are not talking a lack of insulin. Yes, blood thinners need to be taken but even on blood thinners people have strokes..nothing is 100%. Most drugs have a half life, meaning they continue to stay in your system for several days at varying strengths. That being said, 10 days is a lot. First few days? Nothing I can think of that would have killed her cardiac wise, if she missed a few doses..NOW? HMMMMM JMO
 
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I think IMO we can’t tell race or ethnicity because of the mask, truly. We can’t see many features at all and unless I can see the person in front of me and listen to voice, I personally wouldn’t be able to tell by these pictures alone
Yes, it was a toss up to me whether this person was Latino or AA. Or, I could be totally off, and they are Italian, or Lithuanian or a Pacific Islander. All this to say, with the mask in place, we can guess, but that's about it.
 
  • #21,353
Yes, it does not communicate with the app but while the Bluetooth connection is enabled there will be constant/regular connectivity between the two while they are in range, this is separate from when it is actively transmitting the data across.
Right... and I would imagine it would leave a notification on the phone or in the app that it is out of range or it lost connection.

The wording in the timeline is a good clue that this is what LE saw IMO

Pacemaker APP shows DISCONNECT from phone.


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  • #21,354
Yeah, this is a good point. I have never tried removing my doorbells without the tool (I don't even currently have one, but I've had a few brands in the past), but I have no doubt that you could do it without much trouble if you don't care about damage. I will say, I saw no evidence of damage in the photos of the mount, but that doesn't mean that there's not damage to the (unrecovered, AFAIK) camera.

That said, to avoid perpetuating any tidbits of misinformation, I do not think there is any video of the perpetrator picking up a rock. Please provide a link if you have one, because I haven't seen that. There is video of them picking up the flowers from the ground, but that's all I'm aware of.
Ah, my bad. That's as you say the flower bed where he pulls up the flowers. Will go back and change my message hehe.
 
  • #21,355
Carlos' eyes and mustache looks like lantana man. IMO.
I disagree. This guy doesn't resemble the minimal features we can see in the videos.
 
  • #21,356
That coupled with the fact that he has an unmarked white van and some association with his phone (per CP). It was a good lead that LE was right to follow up. The manner in which they did it was probably a bit of overkill, IMO.
Source for white van confirmation. Thank you.
 
  • #21,357
This theory doesn’t work IMO because we don’t know she had any life threatening medication needs and also wasn’t there some info shared by the kidnappers that was only known to NG’s inner circle, providing indirect proof of life? Can someone confirm this?


Per the family she required 17 daily medications, some life threatening if she did not get them within 24 hours. WHAT those medications are exactly is protected medical information.
 
  • #21,358
The Media Coverage is TOO MUCH and I fear it may cause serious consequences for the investigation.

Imagine if you are the person holding Nancy (if that’s ever been a thing), and you see this all unfolding. I’m going to call it quits, get rid of evidence and hopefully disappear.

Nancy never comes home, alive or deceased.

I think this has turned into a circus and it’s appalling

MOO
The world is glued to social media, hanging by every thread. A tragedy of epic proportions for the Guthrie family. PLEASE LET NANCY COME HOME 🙏
 
  • #21,359
El Paso airport announced closed for 10 days last night for national security concern. All flights canceled. Now reopened this morning. Has to be related! MOO
 
  • #21,360
IMO I’d be defensive too if I was questioned about a crime I didn’t commit and they are wanting me to recall all these details that I couldn’t remember
Yes I agree. I also hope there is time spent to ensure SIL/AG are not continuing to deal with this cloud of suspicion over them on top of dealing with their mother/MIL missing.
 

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