AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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El Paso airport announced closed for 10 days last night for national security concern. All flights canceled. Now reopened this morning. Has to be related! MOO
The airspace is now reopened. I doubt it had anything to do with this case.
 
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The El Paso grounding has been lifted we can move on from that now
 
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I feel like the media bungled this not the FBI.
At this point, the media just needs to stand down and let everybody do their job. Following the FBI and Sheriff down the street going from house to house was ridiculous. Any homeowner that was talking to the FBI and gave them permission to check backyards by giving them their gate code needs to change them now...i literally could hear and/or read lips perfectly.
 
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@MassGuy Good call on this not being the suspect. I was convinved that he was connected to the crime.
 
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First of all I refuse to believe that this person was detained solely on someone calling in a tip about his eyes. Come on now that’s not what happens. His phone showed he was in the area at some time and his van may also have been in the area. Who knows what else LE may have had. Also since he was released means nothing. He may have had information that was valuable, we don’t know. He may have seen something. I don’t think they ever said he was a suspect or POI. They aren’t going to read him his rights until they question him. BE was doing what journalists do. Im going to sit back and see what happens next.
 
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He never left the scene, charges were never filed, a warrant was never sought for his arrest that we know of. He was not arrested. He was detained.

He answered questions, so we know he participated in a custodial interview. No way did they not mirandize him if they believed he was potentially involved. If they provided him advice of rights, he then necessarily waived them to participate in the interview. He could have requested to stop talking without an attorney at any point. Catch is, they’d just have to stop talking to him. He’d still be detained on scene until the search was done.

JMO
If he was cuffed and held for hours to investigate a tip that could have reasonably been investigated in a shorter period of time and without him being cuffed. Then, yeah, an argument could be made that it was a defacto arrest.
 
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This is still a missing persons case with a victim still assumed to be alive and in need of aid. LE doesn't have time to do deep dive assessments of possible suspects since there is still hope of a successful recovery. Unfortunately, with today's 24 hour news obsession, there is a great deal of attention paid to anyone peripherally involved in cases.

Since kidnapping for ransom is very rare in the US, I doubt there are a lot of "professional" kidnappers available. If this crime was committed by a professional, that person is most likely from another country and likely long gone. Based on the blood at the scene and hints by LE of evidence of violence in the house (although this has never been specifically described), this was likely not a professional job.
 
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It is, in fact, very dangerous to be taking 17 medications every day. If Nancy is still alive, and I pray she is, she may realize she needs very few of those meds. Doctors overprescribe for the elderly and it sickens me. I’m praying God has given her a captor who is having mercy and realizing she needs to go home. He will gain nothing from this.
source for 17 MEDICATIONS DAILY, PLEASE. BEFORE this becomes another "FACT".
 
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The person who was detained (now released) and the person on the CCTV look nothing alike imo.

The eyes have a slight similarity - but I am sure the person on the CCTV is white and has a fuller build than the person who was detained.

I do hope the person detained gets the support they need obviously it’ll be a huge shock to them to be plastered all over the media
 
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He never left the scene, charges were never filed, a warrant was never sought for his arrest that we know of. He was not arrested. He was detained.

He answered questions, so we know he participated in a custodial interview. No way did they not mirandize him if they believed he was potentially involved. If they provided him advice of rights, he then necessarily waived them to participate in the interview. He could have requested to stop talking without an attorney at any point. Catch is, they’d just have to stop talking to him. He’d still be detained on scene until the search was done.

JMO
He was detained for two hours without anyone reading his rights. This happens all the time. He likely spent the entire two hours protesting his innocence without even thinking of asking for a lawyer. That makes him look even more innocent in my eyes.
 
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IF AG has a ring/nest camera it would probably show their car leaving the area OR one of the neighbor's ring camera would show AG car going down the street to return NG to her home. JMO
I agree. The story has changed so many times that it’s hard to know what’s accurate anymore. I read that the SIL dropped her off, but I haven’t seen anything confirming that with camera footage. Was there ever any verification? I don’t recall reading that it was confirmed she was physically brought home, and that seems like a pretty critical detail.
 
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Right... and I would imagine it would leave a notification on the phone or in the app that it is out of range or it lost connection.

The wording in the timeline is a good clue that this is what LE saw IMO

Pacemaker APP shows DISCONNECT from phone.


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Can anyone explain what the camera disconnect at 1:47 is?

Is 2:12 the person on video that was retrieved? If so, it seems like 2:28 for the pacemaker to disconnect from the phone is fast. Just 16 minutes to remove her from the home.
 
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When they said this guy had been detained for questioning in this case and wasn't necessarily a suspect, I knew this lead might not pan out.

Good news is that they have the video and images which should lead to a lot of tips.
 
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This case is very….strange. IMO. Everytime I see a “breaking development” that ends up not being the case; I feel like it’s giving “hoax” vibes. I don’t think it’s a hoax but that’s what it’s giving me at the moment. AMO
 
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No! The MEDIA made such a show of this dentention. Imo. The police didn’t interview the mil in the street and report the guy’s name. the police should not have media following their every step and interfering.
They are doing their job investigating whatever leads they have. This is frustrating but it’s the media that are increasing the fury here imo.
I understand the media does what the media does, and it isn't always responsible however this is nothing new and imo LE (federal and local) at this point appears to me to not be managing this well. This guy in the video imo does not seem that astute and yet..here we are. This is JMO but at this point if I had means like SG I'd be trying to see who I could hire (she may have reach to some of the experienced top level FBI agents were let go more recently perhaps one of them could provide services and would have an in with an agent who is still there with info)...Again jmo and I understand that there is info we also don't have at this point, but based on what I see it isn't confidence inspiring.
 
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I’ve seen all sorts of nonsense on social media stating that it’s a “Mexican man” (which could be right or wrong) but IMO you can’t even tell if the person is male or female even, so how can you tell nationality through a mask?
Facial recognition software can make certain determinations using measurements of facial features then compare to a database of measurements then make a probability of the nationality even through a mask. Software can be trained to analyze facial features to estimate age, gender, and ethnic background. These are not absolute identifications but rather statistical probabilities based on datasets.
 
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I wonder if police were tracking their detained person of interest's car for a while now, but stopped him today because he was headed toward border to flee to Mexico....
I gather if he his wife and kids weren't delivering Door Dash then when his car was seized LE would have found evidence that he was fleeing and not a customer's groceries.
The car was returned to the family.
imo
 
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The person who was detained (now released) and the person on the CCTV look nothing alike imo.

The eyes have a slight similarity - but I am sure the person on the CCTV is white and has a fuller build than the person who was detained.

I do hope the person detained gets the support they need obviously it’ll be a huge shock to them to be plastered all over the media
The person in the video was bundled up in layers. That could make someone look bulkier than they really are. Also, many Hispanics have lighter skin tone so I don’t think we can say the person in the video was definitely Caucasian. Not saying it was this person they detained and released but the person in the video is not necessarily bulky or white. MOO
 

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