AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[watson1]

I think the family has lost faith in LE.

Just my opinion, but hiring their own investigator allows the family to feel like they are doing something. It is a psychological control mechanism. While it works on that level, it will gum up LE's efforts, with having to shield items from their PI and ensure the PI doesn't tip off a POI, meaning the PI will be in their way. In short, it will make the family feel better, but creates other issues for LE. IMHO.

 

[Deepinthought52]

At this point it seems more likely that they're going to find something from the Domino's driver than from the perp. Sigh.

MOO

Nah, just look back at all of the cases we thought maybe there was no lead on and then they provided some real eye-opener evidence!

 

[PCHS]

Just my opinion, but hiring their own investigator allows the family to feel like they are doing something. It is a psychological control mechanism. While it works on that level, it will gum up LE's efforts, with having to shield items from their PI and ensure the PI doesn't tip off a POI, meaning the PI will be in their way. In short, it will make the family feel better, but creates other issues for LE. IMHO.

Yes but it seems that this isn't going well at all at this point how much longer do you give LE on their own. And SG hopefully has access to some better people, maybe retired FBI or recent people who left.

 

[Sessiebo]

A little summary of things that happened recently - by Brian Entin:

 

[SaraSmile]

No! He did not have a white van.

“The man, who only wanted to be identified as Carlos, said he was driving his NISSAN ROGUE on Tuesday evening in Rio Rico, Arizona, about 50 miles south of Tucson, when he noticed he was being trailed by a law enforcement vehicle.”

Live Updates: Person released as search for 'armed individual' continues in Nancy Guthrie case

The search for 84-year-old Nancy Guthrie began after she was abducted from her home near Tucson, Arizona, early on Sunday, Feb. 1, authorities said.

abc7.com

Thanks for the correction, much appreciated.

 

[thefragile7393]

This convinces me more and more the perpetrator arrived and left ON FOOT, they are examining too much along the scrub land between the properties to actually believe that they drove to or from the scene.

But if that’s the case, what happens with the body?

 

[NervousNellie]

Not related to the case, but my grogginess lasts all day thanks to perimenopause so I don’t know about that

I don’t think it’s reasonable to compare your perimenopausal experience to NG’s experience as an 84 y/o. I am a decade past meno and my sleep is very different from when I was peri. Regardless, our experience doesn’t matter. NG’s does. And we don’t know what is normal for her so all these personalizations and generalizations probably don’t matter.

 

[wibbleflea]

NG’s phone and watch were at her house and her devices lost connection with her pacemaker at 2:28am. So she has to have been home until that time.

Responding to the part I’ve emphasised above. There’s a lot of good information earlier in this thread about modern pacemakers and Bluetooth connections, including a post by a poster whose has a Bluetooth-enabled pacemaker.

The pacemakers do attempt to maintain a constant Bluetooth connection with the phone, but the phone app doesn’t constantly request data. It usually does it once a day, in the early morning hours. The lost connection could be (it’s not known for sure) the alert that popped up on the phone when the app attempted its daily data transfer.

LE may be able to identify the time that the connection was lost by retrieving logs from the phone but the information about the time of lost connection was released early on and is more likely to be due to the alert from the app at the time it was attempting its daily data transfer. The “lost connection” wording from the sheriff’s department is probably about as accurate as the initial wording about the church appointment.

Meaning: by 2:28 am, NG was gone, but she could have been taken earlier. The perp didn’t necessarily spend 40+ minutes in the home.

We don’t know what type of device NG had but here’s a Q&A (scroll to the foot of the page) from the maker of a pacemaker that uses Bluetooth LE and a phone app:

Patient Cardiac Monitoring - MyMerlin App and SyncUP Support | Abbott

myMerlin™ Mobile App communicates with the Assert-IQ™ Insertable Cardiac Monitor (ICM) and all compatible Abbott ICMs to provide the information your doctor needs for an accurate diagnosis.

www.cardiovascular.abbott

These checks usually happen during the night while you are sleeping. Keep your smartphone near you (within 5 feet or 1.5 meters) when you sleep. If you are not near your smartphone at that time, the app will periodically try again and will notify you if there is a problem connecting with your heart monitor.

My emphasis.

 

[thefragile7393]

At this point it seems more likely that they're going to find something from the Domino's driver than from the perp. Sigh.

MOO

Not funny, but it did give me a bit of a chuckle. Because you’re so not wrong in my opinion.

 

[txsleuth70]

No! He did not have a white van.

“The man, who only wanted to be identified as Carlos, said he was driving his NISSAN ROGUE on Tuesday evening in Rio Rico, Arizona, about 50 miles south of Tucson, when he noticed he was being trailed by a law enforcement vehicle.”

Live Updates: Person released as search for 'armed individual' continues in Nancy Guthrie case

The search for 84-year-old Nancy Guthrie began after she was abducted from her home near Tucson, Arizona, early on Sunday, Feb. 1, authorities said.

abc7.com

Yes, he was driving a Rogue but he DID say in the interview that he also has a van. Did not mention the color. The reporter even restated 'Did you say van?'

 

[PCHS]

He was quickly eliminated after they pursued the lead, executed a search warrant at his house, and interviewed him. Sometimes you can’t rule people out without talking to them. And sometimes there’s enough evidence someone may have been complicit in a crime that you need to prepare for violence and a hostage recovery situation.

Believe me, if they could have eliminated this dude without having to drive hours away and spend hours in an interview and search warrant execution… they definitely would have. I’m not sure what your alternate approach would be, given none of us know what police had regarding this individual at the time.

Worst case scenario - if he was involved and they just did a knock and talk and he wound up panicking and killing the hostage, what would your reaction be? If he had co-conspirators waiting at the house with the hostage and would harm her if something happened to him, what then? This isn’t a movie, and it’s not a simple black and white situation.

Just my opinion.

It appears based on the info given that there was no there, there. That is the point and yet he was one of their leads.

 

[Cindizzi]

I don’t know if this has happened, but I think it would be fascinating of one of the sleuthers on websleuths was chosen to be on a jury for one of the large cases like this anfcwas then anle to post about the experience once trial was over. Imo

The first trial I followed on here was for this miserable beast :

Where Is Ashley McArthur Now? All About Her Life Behind Bars After She Was Convicted of Murdering Her Friend

In 2019, Ashley McArthur was convicted of murdering her friend, a private investigator named Taylor Wright. Here’s everything to know about where Ashley McArthur is now.

people.com

The exhusband and current partner of the victim she killed, TW both joined WS as verified insiders and posted on the threads. It was pretty surreal and very interesting to hear their thoughts after watching them both testify on TV !

 

[thefragile7393]

I don’t think it’s reasonable to compare your perimenopausal experience to NG’s experience as an 84 y/o. I am a decade past meno and my sleep is very different from when I was peri. Regardless, our experience doesn’t matter. NG’s does. And we don’t know what is normal for her so all these personalizations and generalizations probably don’t matter.

In my opinion, I was speaking of somebody saying brain fog can last only a few hours, whereas that’s not necessarily true for people who are older.

Unfortunately my parents are close to their 90s and it doesn’t necessarily dissipate early in the day, esp when sleep is difficult. So yes, it is possible for this to be relevant . Thank you though, for your opinion and your input.

 

[HerNameWasBuffy]

What does his MIL need to apologize for? She defended him persistently over and over on national TV to anyone who would listen that he had nothing to do with this and he was at home when Nancy was reported missing.

She didn't do it on purpose as she was clearly in a panic, but she is the reason the public know his name.

I don't blame her, personally I think BE was wrong to have posted it without redacting his name, but if I'd inadvertently done that I'd apologize.

As she's not the one who turned him in I hope her family is understanding about her speaking too frankly to a reporter in such a stressful moment.

 

[rosiebean]

Looks like they are just retrieving things from the house to take to them to me, but he was wearing gloves which might indicate something else or just not wanting to contaminate any potential future processing (as a general precaution).

JMO.

Going back to this: the detective with the gloves was noted as picking up mail. The detective carrying the grocery bags was not wearing gloves.

 

[m00c0w]

It appears based on the info given that there was no there, there. That is the point and yet he was one of their leads.

Do you have access to the investigative records? Tips? CAST data?

Or are you drawing conclusions from brief media interviews with one person?

Do you think the judge was wrong to sign off on the search warrant? That’s essentially what you are claiming right now - that a random person knows way more than the magistrate judge that signed off on the search warrant with all of the evidence in front of them.

 

[unresolvedmystery]

But if that’s the case, what happens with the body?

It was never there because she had been harmed elsewhere prior to that? The perpetrator may only have been there to try to fake a crime scene to point LE away from where she really had been harmed.

 

[txsleuth70]

There was commentary that he used a white van for deliveries. I don’t have a source for that however.

I watched him say it while interviewed. Looking for it now.

 

[washysmum]

Would you happen to have a link? TIA



I too would like to know what her habits were like with respect to the door leading inside the residence from the garage. It's actually quite easy to break into your garage via the garage door unless you physically use the locking mechanism on the garage door. It can be done in seconds.
If NG didn't regularly check or lock the door (from inside) to the garage...

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My dad installed garage doors for years, can confirm older ones are very easy to break into, I used to break into my own frequently when forgetting my key.

 

[UsernameRequired]

This convinces me more and more the perpetrator arrived and left ON FOOT, they are examining too much along the scrub land between the properties to actually believe that they drove to or from the scene.

But how could the perpetrator have moved Nancy without any evidence or clues outside of her home?