AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Cristofori406]

It is certainly possible that vomit or urine is a DNA source from the home, but it is less likely that either would be used as a basis to infer that a serious crime had been committed against an elderly 84 year old lady living alone. In my view only her absence, a disturbed scene, and a significant amount of blood would create the conditions where that would be surmised as quickly as it was, and homicide being brought in to confer.

JMO.

If there was a significant amount of blood, would they have called the police sooner? Maybe you call SG first to get permission bc you know it will be a big story? But still, if there's something so obvious that you think of it as the scene of a crime beyond a kidnapping and call of the search early, it seems it would have to have been something pretty obvious.

 

[maskedwoman]

They claim she is a retired police composite sketch artist who holds the Guinness world record for accuracy/arrests. Time will tell.

I believe this is the lady

AI can’t beat my composite sketches, says record-breaking police artist

Lois Gibson, whose sketches have helped to identify more than 1,300 suspects, says technology can not do the job as effectively

www.theguardian.com

 

[SMK777]

And if the worker wasn't directly involved they talk, an associate, cousin; "Man, this old lady is living alone on this big private property with no dog, no real security, and her daughter is that rich TV person

Many crimes have begun in exactly this way. The Clutter murders from the true crime book In Cold Blood was a famous one.

 

[Lebowski]

Killed accidentally during argument with family/friend and kidnapping/B&E staged to cover it up

you've been reading ramsey threads

 

[stmichael]

Crazy it’s been 13 days and there’s still no official indication of what car he was in. Do they really not know still?

Surveillance footage of the perp was one helpful thing, but it being combined with what car he was in would probably help a lot more to get useful and clear tips from the public.

But how would they? It's a blind spot.

Low light ordinance, really dark at night. House tucked back, surrounded by blocking vegetation. No neighbors sight-lines directly looking onto the property. No street cams, and house cams could not capture into the street. Even the major roads nearby only have DOT cameras (not police) that they admitted do not even record. A perfect storm of vulnerability.


I have plenty of cameras around my home but it's set back a couple hundred feet from the road. We had a string of burglaries in my neighborhood (very similar to NGs, wooded and no street lights, multi acre lots) and despite all the houses with lots of security cams no one could get a car.


---> Someone saw the property as an easy mark (low security, isolated, dark, no street cams) and the victim as an easy mark (elderly, living alone, hearing aide, pacemaker, rich public daughter)

 

[The OG]

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Crazy it’s been 13 days and there’s still no official indication of what car he was in. Do they really not know still?

Surveillance footage of the perp was one helpful thing, but it being combined with what car he was in would probably help a lot more to get useful and clear tips from the public.

Agreed. There should be cameras rolling at every access point to the neighborhood. At that time of the morning 2:12-2:50, the suspect's vehicle was likely captured, unless the suspect stays in the neighborhood. There couldn't have been too many people leaving the area in that timeframe.

I think they know the vehicle and it led them to Las Lomitas Circle K. IMO

 

[maskedwoman]

The puzzling thing to me is why the blood doesn't appear to have been trodden on or smeared, either by nancy or the assailant.

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This is an excellent question.

 

[Magic8Ball]

Anyone working that house would have known what an easy mark/target they had. They would have spent time on the property, seen the seclusion, see that everyone kept private, no neighbors had sight lines to the yard/house, the vegetation providing cover, the night darkness due to the ordinance.

Then the victim; an elderly lady w/ a pacemaker, some mobility issues, with hearing aides, living alone in this environment. We're starting to get more of a complete picture of limitations here. Surely any worker with interaction (getting a bid, getting instructed about the job, working on the property for 2 hours, etc.) would pick up on some of this. And if the worker wasn't directly involved they talk, an associate, cousin; "Man, this old lady is living alone on this big private property with no dog, no real security, and her daughter is that rich TV person."

I could see a home invasion/robbery by a worker familiar with the home and a possible panicked reaction if she woke up and discovered them. What I do NOT see is a gardener/electrician/roofer, etc., coming up with a tech-savvy kidnapping plot that's foiled the FBI for over a week.

I mean, dude was wrapping lantana around the ring camera.

This is why the kidnapping/ransom stuff appears to be a completely separate, unrelated crime from the violent home invasion to me.

I can't think of any reason to remove NG from the home and then continue to keep her alive somewhere else unless for kidnapping/ransom. I don't think if she was even alive when she left the home that she stayed alive for very long thereafter.

But that's JMO.

 

[JoeFromLB]

As credible as any theory proposed here. This case is mystifying in the extreme.
With every passing day the chances that NG is alive diminish even faster.

I have been saying since day one with little to no response, here. This is a celebrity stalker. The perp is obsessed with SG., may watch her daily on NBC. Thinks everything she says has a specific and "coded" message to him. He may have contacted her through Instagram, NBC or other apps. Never received an answer. He is delusional. Thinks SG is his girlfriend. May even tell a person or 2 that he is having a clandestine relationship with SG.IMO



He is probably marginalized. Socially awkward Starved for attention.. He may have traveled some distance to get to Arizona because SG was not on TV because she had surgery and he became restless and needed to see her. He wants SG. He decided the next best thing was NG. He went to the home for a souvenir. A photo, a piece of lingerie, SG may have left there. He is frustrated. His obsession is not satisfied. He takes NG.



He is tied to the ransom note. He is possibly the author of the ransom letters. He sent it to TMZ because that is a very entertainment based network program. Second choice was local stations to maximize coverage.



As for his attire. I own Gucci..I also own inexpensive pocketbooks. A 10 dollar handbag and a 1000 dollar Gucci bag serve the same function. Either one can carry my wallet, makeup and glasses. There is no such thing as KIDNAPPER COUTURE. Same with the backpack. Ditto on a makeshift holster, imo.



This crime was planned by a delusional, "FAN" who thinks he is being ignored. They are looking at old doorbell camera video, IMO, to see if he was scoping out the neighborhood before he struck.MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

This is an excellent question.

If she was carried out in something like a fireman's carry, her head would be behind the kidnapper's feet as he walked away. The drops would fall behind him, if they were falling from her face.

MOO

 

[Fargo]

One thing I wish they would report on is the age of the bitcoin wallet…. Was the wallet created before her disappearance or after media coverage began?

I don't think the FBI ever verified the wallet address as being connected to who sent the note. They haven't publicly said, anyway. The hoaxer/misdirecter could have pulled up the blockchain ledger and used any wallet address they found there. IMO

 

[CandyKiss]

in the actual video, the jacket looks fuzzy to me- like fleece. Is that just blur from the camera or real?

it appears to be fleece

 

[Lebowski]

I don't think so, because the blood isn't present in the doorbell camera video .
The Lantana looks very dry and it may have been blown around by the wind, and trodden on by family members / police / reporters, at any time after the blood landed.

The puzzling thing to me is why the blood doesn't appear to have been trodden on or smeared, either by nancy or the assailant.

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Feb 4, 2026

It looked like drops of blood to me, not angled since they appeared to be mostly round. As if it dripped from a cut hand or something like that, I did not see anything that looked like spray, but the video was not very clear.

agree

also, few if any of them appear to have been smeared or stepped in. I wonder if that's true of the entire trail. either way, I think it constrains scenarios.

if this is dripping from a hand or nose, and she's walking under her own power, with the perp(s) behind her, it's not impossible to leave an entire trail of undisturbed drops (assuming that's...

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[lighters]

If there was a significant amount of blood, would they have called the police sooner? Maybe you call SG first to get permission bc you know it will be a big story? But still, if there's something so obvious that you think of it as the scene of a crime beyond a kidnapping and call of the search early, it seems it would have to have been something pretty obvious.

They called within 10 mins.

 

[Silverstorm]

 

[Sessiebo]

If she was carried out in something like a fireman's carry, her head would be behind the kidnapper's feet as he walked away. The drops would fall behind him, if they were falling from her face.

MOO

I was thinking the same. The tiny drops that looked like "a cough" could have come from readjusting the carrying, like a squeeze while lifting her back up after somewhat sliding because of the sidestep you'd have to make through the door. JMO

 

[Napoli]

I am wondering why people are so obsessed with the inside of the home? NG, JMHO, certainly didn't conveniently start bleeding as soon as she got outside. IMO, there would be plenty of blood or at least SOME BLOOD in the home. SHE WAS ABDUCTED and likely put up a struggle or was immediately subdued by the perp. Further speculation on my part is that family arrived at her home, saw blood outside and some blood inside with some other oddities like watch etc being there, searched inside to be sure she hadn't collapsed anywhere indoors, ( blood loss from blood thinners as a contributing factor), and notified the police. The better question is why wouldn't there be blood inside? I am confident there was...JMO

 

[minazoe]

I just feel so vibey on this being an organized event where Nancy walked into a trap. she may not have even been dropped off alive/ conscious. they could have brought her back into the house through the garage and out the front door etc all for staging purposes. they could have easily drugged her and gotten rid of her. I don't believe in a stranger intruder theory at all.

I don't believe he could take her out of there without help unless he literally dragged her to his partially hidden car..so he has accomplices...nothing is stolen..no robbery has occurred. there is no sexual motive with two to three accomplices,

so, the motive is money....yet hmmm, they don't seem to have kept the victim alive...so now we have three kidnappers with a dead victim, so now what?

if I had to guess I'd say someone incentivized this mess and it's a murder for hire. mOO

 

[LRinCA]

Similar to Arizona, you have to be very reckless to venture onto private property without permission. I suspect most people where we lived had rifles and knew how to use them. And there was a lot of ex-military in the area to boot. We had big dogs from breeds considered protection breeds for most of the time we lived there as well. In the time we lived there there was one house break-in where items were taken, two house fires, and a brief incident where someone was stealing from the roadside mail boxes. (The postal authorities apparently caught the perpetrators of the mailbox crimes pretty quickly.) And there was one case of arson where the fire was set outside by someone from out of state. Thank goodness for the wildland fire fighters out of Canon City and elsewhere. We had a neighborhood email list which was rarely used: generally for things like "your missing horses are in our east field at <address>, please come and get them." Once it was a mule.

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This is exactly why I think her attacker/abductor knew who he was going after.

I live in an Arizona 55+ community with a high percentage of ex-military residents and I'm fairly certain that many of them would come to the door armed and ready.

 

[GlobeFireCandle]

My theory is one man, either planned sexual assault and accidental killing or planned murder, probably done this or similar before. Targeted due to being vulnerable and the property being isolated.

Ransom notes either unrelated or part of the killer’s game, did not know she had a famous daughter, he could be getting a thrill out of the media frenzy and also likely to be watching the scene, enjoying talking to LE and media. Thinks they have no clue and there’s no way he will be caught (deluded).