AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[thefemmefury]

My first post on this but I've closely followed. Having looked at one particular clear photo of ZJ's face on Insta ( with their hand sort of resting on top of their head) and compared it to this screenshot from the porch video, I am sure this is the same person who was caught on camera at NG's house that night. The whole area around eyes, brows, chin, nose and face shape matches to me.
JMO

The first time I saw the video, my first thought was the brows. JMO I had/have a feeling that distinctive feature would be important to identification. Reminds me of the Idaho 4 perp (not gonna say his name) and the bushy brows being a feature that was zoomed in on.

 

[Dexxie8]

My first post on this but I've closely followed. Having looked at one particular clear photo of ZJ's face on Insta ( with their hand sort of resting on top of their head) and compared it to this screenshot from the porch video, I am sure this is the same person who was caught on camera at NG's house that night. The whole area around eyes, brows, chin, nose and face shape matches to me.
JMO

Who is ZJ?

 

[Nikynoo]

Who’s in custody? I don’t have time to read through everything

We don’t know.

 

[Brightchaser47]

There are quite a few news reports now that one of the apprehended shot themselves in the head, as witnessed by neighbours.

The craziness of seeing people get arrested by FBI is a story in itself, I don’t see how neighbours could be mistaken (or lie) about witnessing something like that.

It would be quite traumatic!

This snippet is from an Irish publication.

Not to get O/T, but how does someone "detained" in this situation manage to successfully take their own life (and with a gun, no less)?? jmo

 

[franco]

This guys eyes are so distinct. I don’t know how you could know this guy and not know it was him like as soon as I saw this guy is Instagram and videos. I’m like this is the same guy like his eyes is mannerism his built like I’m not saying it is 100% because I don’t know, but in my opinion looks just like him, especially the eyes the actor that give away not the eyebrows though those are very distinct when I saw the eyebrows in the video I’m like whoa is that his eyebrows or just a mask for a while I thought it was just a mask, but it was his eyebrows and when I saw the eyebrows, I’m like this guy is very sculpted eyebrows. This is someone who must be full of themselves a narcissist not because he had sculpted eyebrows just because he was committing a crime and I was thinking what kind of personality he has quilted eyebrows and commits heinous crimes.

 

[franco]

Oh wow I followed a link on X to the MB Motors site which led to ZJ Insta and various photos. I chose the one that covers his face in case the info is wrong. View attachment 644872

He has random videos. Are we sure that’s even him I know he has a lot of gun and military videos of special forces of Jordan

 

[franco]

Not to get O/T, but how does someone "detained" in this situation manage to successfully take their own life (and with a gun, no less)?? jmo

I think they detained him after he shot himself.

 

[thefemmefury]

Not to get O/T, but how does someone "detained" in this situation manage to successfully take their own life (and with a gun, no less)?? jmo

I would speculate that at the hint of LE approaching (be it lights, a knock, etc. who knows) one could be ready to take that route out especially if they were waiting for LE to show up one day. JMO

ETA, this to me implies that the deceased did this action before the remaining individuals were detained. Semantics.

 

[maskedwoman]

So, I was the person who commented on this yesterday. My mom with Dementia lives in Arizona (I live in Idaho) and I had to call APS on her due to self-neglect. I reached out to Mom's caseworker and asked her in what situation would APS leave a card at an abduction scene. She said to believe her when she said she had no clue.

I googled the other day and, if an elderly person wanders off, it can trigger an investigation from Adult Protective Services for self-neglect or caregiver neglect.

Also, you just never know when a neighbor might call to say someone is being neglected. I was appointed as my Mom's conservator and she was really angry about it. She told everyone she saw that I had stolen her money and she had no food. One of them believed her and the county sent a social worker by to see her full fridge and clean house.

 

[Brightchaser47]

I think they detained him after he shot himself.

I would speculate that at the hint of LE approaching (be it lights, a knock, etc. who knows) one could be ready to take that route out especially if they were waiting for LE to show up one day. JMO

Thanks, guess I missed the order of events.

 

[Ltiger4]

Can someone please summarize the latest for those of us just waking up? I’m 100 pages behind. Cliff notes please!

 

[maskedwoman]

And to think I was just about to go to sleep! WRT the traffic stop, wouldn’t they let the guy get home if they thought he was headed there?

Probably not. They wouldn't want him to get access to any weapons he might have.

 

[thefemmefury]

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[catpatrol]

13. September 2025, but I’m not sure if it’s the same car, however, that’s where people got the profile they’re speculating about.

He has liked most of the posts on that page (the ones I checked at least), so I really don’t think he has anything to do with this. He’s just a guy with a moustache and a beard.

I was also looking at the Sept 2025 photo but there's a video Feb 6th 2026 with a better match.

 

[distracted]

So now I wonder if it was the range rover or the white van that LE was looking into regarding the vehicle of interest seen at the Circle K early last week. Maybe both.

Why was it so hard to track? Was it because it wasn't registered to anyone current i.e. from the motor company?

Maybe the license plates were switched - maybe multiple times.

 

[KivaloNyomozo’]

Is there an address of the house? Any information about owner, etc?

 

[oc1234]

Can someone please summarize the latest for those of us just waking up? I’m 100 pages behind. Cliff notes please!

No new MSM news since last night. Latest MSM last night: 2 detained at home, 1 detained in traffic stop. (yes, there is MSM reporting NEIGHBOR stating 3 detained at a home and 1 self harmed in head but no confirmation on this at all)

 

[maskedwoman]

I thought this was just a rumor?
Is there a media link for this?
IMO.

He said it in an interview. You know politicians. Always excited to be in the spotlight.

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[Napoli]

That's a very interesting question. The problem is that IF this is a real kidnapping, they were clearly not smart enough to figure out the proof of life. So we can't count on them doing the smart thing now.

If she is dead, I think they will think they be totally panicked about life in prison, blaming each other for everything that's gone wrong, and will think they have 2 choices. One is to leave her where she is right now and run. The other is risk moving the body to the desert and running.

There is one option that I haven't seen anyone suggest - that Nancy despite her age and mobility issues could be a feisty and stubborn lady. She might be mad about the attempt to steal millions of her daughter's hard earned money, and refuse to tell them anything that would suffice as proof of life. My grandmother has 84 when she died. I can totally see my Grandmother telling kidnappers that no way was she going to help them get her granddaughter's money. And she would have meant it.

I DONT SEE "PROOF OF LIFE" AS A PREREQUISITE FOR ANYTHING. IMO, PROOF you have NG in your possession is enough. Family or FBI relaying a question to the perp and getting the answer ( what was the name of her first pet for example?) Something obscure Answer is then communicated to the family. Feisty or not, NG is 84 and on blood thinners. That, imo, is the #1 reason she probably isnt alive. Either she suffered internal bleeding from being roughed up or the external bleeding evidenced on the walkway and probably seen in the home also, can be fatal. Add to that the lack of daily meds needed for heart rhythm or BP or the fact she is no longer getting her blood thinners and is now at risk for clotting, and you have a deadly mix of circumstances. MOO

 

[Brightchaser47]

Probably not. They wouldn't want him to get access to any weapons he might have.

Or alert his associates. But if this is the same guy who took his own life, it's a moot point....jmo