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The sketch by Lois Gibson.4
Sketch artist Lois Gibson released a sketch of what she thinks Nancy Guthrie’s kidnapper might look like
“I GUESSED at the parts of face covered with ski mask on this Nancy Guthrie kidnapping suspect. I used the surveillance photos shown,” Gibson warned after revealing her sketch to social med
I’m sure she thinks she’s helping but this was not commissioned or issued by officials and the public is going to see this sketch and run with it. They could easily overlook a good suspect because he (or she) doesn’t look like this sketch. It rubs me the wrong way.
 
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I have seen quite a few posts through this thread commenting on Nancy’s personality - she was sharp as a tack, she is a feisty lady, nobody’s fool type comments and what a wonderful, lovely person she is. We don’t actually know what she is like as a person, I just find it a bit odd a whole personality is being made up.
I think it's reasonable to presume a few traits based off family and friends' comments but we don't know any of these people.
 
  • #29,363
My goodness, it appears all roads lead to W-mart!

Amateur opinion and speculation

Someone recently went into WM to find similar backpack to purchase and examine. The backpacks were in a locked transparent area with other hiking equipment. This means that with record of sale, there is also record of clerk scanning locked area to retrieve goods. This is the WM close to AG property... just stating for verification of locale, not making connection.

Check dates of purchase of said backpack - check cams focused on display area in hour prior to transaction.

Just a thought, of course we don't know whether backpack was bought in month prior or 3 years, so... just thinking out loud!
 
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I’m sure she thinks she’s helping but this was not commissioned or issued by officials and the public is going to see this sketch and run with it. They could easily overlook a good suspect because he (or she) doesn’t look like this sketch. It rubs me the wrong way.
Same. He probably looks nothing like him.
 
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I don’t think you can assume she is tough because her husband died 40 years ago and she collects her own mail.
The article states that .. not me lol. She never collected her own mail either, she had to have help. It points out that her mobility was indeed quite limited. I have had 5 femur surgeries and I can still walked to the mailbox. I just wonder exactly what limited her mobility to the point she could barely walk. Osteoporosis I have but it's treated with infusions, back issues I know are mobility limiting issues.

Has anyone read an articles that stated exactly what her mobility issues were from? age related, a fall, surgeries, etc.

I have not found one yet
 
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To follow up, I appreciate your extension of what is in the Radar Online article and your analysis of what it means, if true. I was pointing out the article doesn't provide confirmation. I see now that you did say that in an addition. Thanks for explaining tech aspects of cloud storage and how that is relevant here.
Yes to be clear I was responding to the article itself and not the veracity.

Back in the day everything used to be on dvr recorders and if a convenience store was hit for instance, they'd find the black box of a recorder and rip that out and take it with them. All footage gone. Beautiful thing about cloud based cams like common wifi Ring cams, it that they'll catch the person walking up to the camera and disabling it, so you have footage of them, and know immediately of their presence with a push alert. But you still have to check all your alerts. In my residential system I was getting a lot of deer at that height as "person detected" and started ignoring or downgrading the urgency of it, until one day it was young man in a hoodie doing the petty theft car door thing. So not only do you have to have your detection zones, camera angles, alerts optimized, you have to still pay attention.
 
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They check way past a 100 mile radius. They check entire database systems. They specifically have superior access to data.
Walmart always get them!
 
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One would think. But that's also an assumption. After a while you stop checking in, you start ignoring push alerts. The subscription wasn't on the external cams. Why wasn't that paid, probably a lapse or oversight.

We don't know. At this point I am most interested in the inside of the crime scene, the situation with any alarm or other interior security, the supposed signs of forced entry that we are not clear about, and all that.
The article quoting an insider states they were strategically able to smash the cameras before the motion detected them and streamed or saved etc. and so if they’re smashed now no one can check remotely - if true.
 
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In the CNN interview with Sheriff Nanos, he states that there were multiple cameras in Nancy's house and data/video is trying to be retrieved from them.

Sheriff in Guthrie case: ‘we have DNA,’ ‘don’t know whose it is’ | CNN

Your posted link didn't work but I think separating the text like I've done here will make it functional.

I saw the Sheriff nod when Ed Lavandera asked about "other cameras in the house" but my sense of the phrasing of the question and the Sheriff's intentionally vague response is that we don't know for sure if the additional cameras are IN the house or AT the house (meaning they could be additional exterior cameras). It was clear to me that there are more cameras than the front door one, and that Google is trying to extract video from the other(s). But specifically whether they were indoors or in the back yard or back door or what, wasn't definitively made clear as I interpret it. MOO
 
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I don't have a pool. Could the pool cleaner vacuumed the bottom of the pool for evidence?

JMO as I don't know.
I have a pool and live in a warmer climate in CA. I think the pool was ruled out and they allowed the cleaners to do their job with LE supervision. Pools are a pain to take care of and can quickly get filled with algae from debris. Maintaining chemicals is important and it’s costly if they aren’t maintained properly and consistently. I don’t think it’s a big deal for the pool cleaners to do the outside job they were contracted to do. JMO.
 
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I want to make a comment that is MY option only. Mods, feel free to delete if you think i am out of line.

When I saw the statement from the sheriff saying Nancy might not be found “for years”it made my blood boil. Nancy doesn’t have years!!!

Some people are just insane. i mean, who would say that? if i came up missing at my age and i thought the sheriff said that about me and then said he was exhausted I would think he has given up. If I could do so right now, I would grab him by the ear and make him squeal. The nerve of that man!
It implies he believes she is deceased, which unfortunately I think is very likely the case, but yeah, it is incredibly insensitive to declare that publicly.

Unless it is a ploy to make the perps think they are home free.
 
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source or opinion?
Opinion of "sources close to the case believe." It's clickbait, IMO, from RadarOnline republished by AOL. The headline and opening sentence call in a theory. It doesn't provide context for insiders' relationship to the victims or investigation, so it's difficult to weigh the opinions.

The article then goes on to quote two experts with no involvement in this case. They are named and quoted in coverage often. It's easier to evaluate informed opinion but it is still opinion.
 
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I don’t believe there is nothing to show for last nights raids yet.
Same here. This is just an opinion, so far*, but I there are potentially good reasons to believe that the detailed searches were useful. I was disappointed and surprised by the early news today, talking only about people being released without arrest. Later wording was more nuanced, though.

* Sometimes, information from sources other than mainstream media and LE turns out to be valid.
 
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I don’t know. Your theory’s motive is money? That supposed ransom came much later and it didn’t make sense. Ransoms are delivered immediately to the family. They tell them not to contact authorities or they’ll hurt their loved one. Who sends a ransom to the media immediately alerting authorities? On top of that, who writes that you’ll never hear from them, the perp or perps, again?

If this was a gang initiation, you don’t take a body with you.

Did they ever confirm that nothing was stolen from the house? Have they ruled out robbery?
Have not heard a peep official or otherwise that robbery was also involved. I agree. It’s perplexing and the ransoms did not make sense.
 
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I want to make a comment that is MY option only. Mods, feel free to delete if you think i am out of line.

When I saw the statement from the sheriff saying Nancy might not be found “for years”it made my blood boil. Nancy doesn’t have years!!!

Some people are just insane. i mean, who would say that? if i came up missing at my age and i thought the sheriff said that about me and then said he was exhausted I would think he has given up. If I could do so right now, I would grab him by the ear and make him squeal. The nerve of that man!

I don't think he actually believes she's alive. But he probably should have kept those thoughts to himself for now about being exhausted and it maybe taking years. It still feels quite early days to be that negative about it possibly taking so long for her to be found.
 
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I want to make a comment that is MY option only. Mods, feel free to delete if you think i am out of line.

When I saw the statement from the sheriff saying Nancy might not be found “for years”it made my blood boil. Nancy doesn’t have years!!!

Some people are just insane. i mean, who would say that? if i came up missing at my age and i thought the sheriff said that about me and then said he was exhausted I would think he has given up. If I could do so right now, I would grab him by the ear and make him squeal. The nerve of that man!
Yes, this sheriff is a walking, talking, gaffe-machine.
 
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The article quoting an insider states they were strategically able to smash the cameras before the motion detected them and streamed or saved etc. and so if they’re smashed now no one can check remotely - if true.
Sure but they'll capture him approaching the cameras and smashing them and send a person detected motion to their phones before he can disable them (JUST like it did with the Nest cam outside at the front door).

He didn't teleport to right under the cams and start smashing them. You should see and capture his approach from across the room even before the smashing. I believe it infers he evaded motion detection and smashed them but I don't buy that. Again, if these residential cams are not optimized, and motion detection zones are poor (most people don't even configure it in the app) then you'll have blind spots and less than optimal camera detection (which is the downfall of a lot of these DIY systems like Ring, Nest, Simplisafe, etc.)
 
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possibly Walmart will solve the crime if indeed all the purchases were made there. I am tending to believe it is a homeless person, perhaps using one of those free places that give out stuff to homeless people. How he procured the gun is another story but a lot of crime is commited with people who steal guns, trade for one, etc. I think it's a crime of opportunity. Perhaps on a bicycle with perhaps a cart on the back ... ... the body is not far ... I think when he comes back without the backpack is when he got her out of the house and took the body away. Thats just my theory...that desert above her house would be probably something homeless people are quite aware of ...
 
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Your posted link didn't work but I think separating the text like I've done here will make it functional.

I saw the Sheriff nod when Ed Lavandera asked about "other cameras in the house" but my sense of the phrasing of the question and the Sheriff's intentionally vague response is that we don't know for sure if the additional cameras are IN the house or AT the house (meaning they could be additional exterior cameras). It was clear to me that there are more cameras than the front door one, and that Google is trying to extract video from the other(s). But specifically whether they were indoors or in the back yard or back door or what, wasn't definitively made clear as I interpret it. MOO
there has to be a second camera somewhere for it to have detected the motion that the Sheriff referenced after the front door camera was removed,
 

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