• #29,621
Once a day data dump is different than a triggering alert. If your heart rate triggers an alert it won't wait till the 2AM regular data dump to notify the doctor.
NG's pacemaker spiked at 2am on Sunday morning, per the news source.

Nancy Guthrie’s 2 a.m. pacemaker ping could point to heart rate-spiking struggle, lead cardiologist says​

MSN
 
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The article states that .. not me lol. She never collected her own mail either, she had to have help. It points out that her mobility was indeed quite limited. I have had 5 femur surgeries and I can still walked to the mailbox. I just wonder exactly what limited her mobility to the point she could barely walk. Osteoporosis I have but it's treated with infusions, back issues I know are mobility limiting issues.

Has anyone read an articles that stated exactly what her mobility issues were from? age related, a fall, surgeries, etc.

I have not found one yet
Someone who can "barely walk" isn't using Uber regularly, as NG did.
That requires someone be able to walk to the vehicle, get in and out of vehicles of varying heights and walk to their destination. The destination may be close, but she's still managing with just a cane.

I don't think it much matters whether or not she regularly got her own mail. She had household help during the day. I'm sure they could do that for her if she asked them to.
 
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NG is the mother of a known tv news host. Why begrudge NG's missing because of the fact that millions of others are also missing. In my opinion, if it brings awareness to how quickly all of us can face an abduction or murder. And if it helps LE to develop better methods to catch an abduction earlier and bring them home in days rather than weeks, it's worth the coverage. I don't see a 3-ring circus, outside of social media. JMO

Crime scene staging is done by a perpetrator to cover up the original crime. The goal is to avoid arrest, to get control of the investigation, and confuse and distract LE and the public. It is basically a hoax to cover up a crime.

I am not sure what the FBI agent had in mind, but for example, this could have been a robbery gone wrong, resulting in the death of the homeowner. The robbers decide to cover their tracks and pretend a kidnapping had taken place. This serves to scatter the police looking for the homeowner and kidnappers. LE typically then does not do a great job securing the crime scene, or examining the home for evidence. They use their resources out in the community searching for a victim who may still be alive. They are thinking kidnapping, not death during a robbery.

The ransom notes could just be part of the staging, or an attempt to make a big pay day off the death.

Same situation if someone killed NG in or outside the home. Stage it like a kidnapping.
Staged by someone close to her to throw LE off track?
 
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I'm not familiar with the area, but there have been posters that say there are many abandoned mines in the area close by. Maybe they just took her there instead of buried. JMO
Oh wow, I hadn’t thought of that. There must be so many nooks and crannies in the landscape in Tucson. And in the heat, we might be getting to the point that recovering forensic DNA evidence or even a cause of death from a body can be difficult. Morbid and sad.
 
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Sounds like she had an App to control the garage door, likely gave family access to it as well. The App is how they knew the garage door timing imo. Usually, you would open the door with the App (some have sensors for cars and it auto opens for the vehicle) and you would close the door with the wall button near the interior entry door. Easy, quick. Avoids the 3 steps and curved path at the front entrance in the dark.
Yes if you have mobility issues this is how you would do it. You avoid the walkway and stairs up to the front of the house. And you don't have to fumble with door keys etc. There is said to be two doors at the front of the house. The regular door and a metal door. That would be a lot to handle with a cane, purse, etc. in the dark.

Just open the garage door with the app on your phone. Go into the garage and shut the garage door with the button near the interior entry door which is not usually locked. Usually just a small step to get into the house.
 
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Reminds me of a suggestion I saw elsewhere…to put Nancy’s phone in a drone and fly it around Tucson to see if it would connect with her pacemaker since it acts as a “homing beacon”.
Pass maker signal to device is short range. Maybe 30 feet max if there are no obstructions.
 
  • #29,629
Ours uses wifi. I think the doctor has to setup the alerts. It's possible the kidnapper knew about the pacemaker device and unplugged it before awaking Nancy so her racing heart wouldn't send an alert.
Thanks. Speculation, but I thought I had read that her internet had been disconnected which would serve the same function. Thanks for helping me understand how the pacemakers work.
 
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Regarding using a new pool service company, I know that if my mom had been abducted and possibly murdered, and the crime was yet unsolved, I would be leery of using any of the service companies my mom had previously used.
 
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Pass maker signal to device is short range. Maybe 30 feet max if there are no obstructions.
Yes…I should have included in my post what an impractical idea that was, to say the least 🤣
 
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I don’t understand the fascination 120 seconds for the garage.

Do you have a garage? Time it. It takes ~15 seconds for a standard residential garage door to open. That gives NG a minute and 45 seconds to walk into the garage and hit the button to close it.

A minute and 45 seconds to walk a couple car lengths into the garage is an eternity. It would take a fully able person 5 seconds. There’s no reason to think NG couldn’t shuffle into the garage within the reported time. There’s nothing “cold” or suspicious about it. MOO
 
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Well ok, however how is that [pool cleaning by new company] relevant to the case?
Because maybe the FBI hired the pool company, or asked the family to do so, in order for the pool filters to be cleaned and inspected. Possibly they collected the contents of the pool filter(s) so that LE could evaluate the material foresically.

I suspect LE would need to rely on pool experts to accomplish that filter cleaning task. And the story they told of just a pool 'cleaning' was to keep the activity quiet, consistent with the investigation.
 
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Someone who can "barely walk" isn't using Uber regularly. That requires someone be able to walk to the vehicle, get in and out of vehicles of varying heights and walk to their destination. The destination may be close, but she's still managing with just a cane.

I don't think it much matters whether or not she regularly got her own mail. She had household help during the day. I'm sure they could do that for her if she asked them to.
Actually, Uber is a common mode of transport for those with limited mobility.

I know at least 2 Medicare Advantage insurance companies with many insured members in my area. Both routinely send Ubers to those with limited mobility. Many doctors also offer this service. In fact, this is so popular Uber has specialized in health-related transport.

 
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The strange things are why do you remove and 84 yr old woman from her home and what do you do with her? Somewhere I read - among all the comments everywhere - that a former FBI experienced agent said the abduction appeared to be staged. Staged well after she was abducted? Staged by who? Why staged? Just an interesting perspective. Not much else to consider right now.

You didn’t include a link about a former FBI agent saying the abduction appeared to be staged.

But are you referring to this news report below? Because it was the security video of the masked man that the former FBI agent wonders might’ve been staged, not the abduction and there is a difference.

 
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Because maybe the FBI hired the pool company, or asked the family to do so, in order for the pool filters to be cleaned and inspected. Possibly they collected the contents of the pool filter(s) so that LE could evaluate the material foresically.

I suspect LE would need to rely on pool experts to accomplish that filter cleaning task. And the story they told of just a pool 'cleaning' was to keep the activity quiet consistent with the investigation.
It was in the Sheriffs statement yesterday that the family requested the regular pool cleaning continued.
 
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Sher

Pool guys in Tucson don't go in the house. Usually they enter through the back or side yard in the back. MO
In general, people rarely interact with pool people.
 
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We used to do a signal that we got in okay. We would flash the porch light to family dropping us off. Could be something like that, or she texted to SIL, and then closed the garage. She likely would need to unlock door from garage to home too. Two minutes doesn't seem like a long time between pull up, open garage, say good bye, get things from car(maybe leftovers), and do the above that I mentioned.
I think it also depends on which family member dropped her off. If my husband dropped my mom off, it would be a task that he did and things would be fine. If I dropped my mom off, I’m sure I would put a little more effort into it, and there would be a little bit more chitchatting.
 
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The blood on the front walk looks consistent with someone carrying her over their shoulder while she had a potential nose bleed. The type of hold where your arm would hold behind their knees and they’re fully over your shoulder. Why there is more blood drops in one area, by the front door, could be because he waited there for a minute while someone brought the car into the driveway. Just an idea.
I’m commenting on the idea that her daughter or SIL harmed her before she ever made it home. You can’t take a bleeding person out the front door if they were never in the house to begin with.
 

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