AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[citizen_sleuth]

Four hours ago:

Investigators leaning away from man whose home was searched overnight, sources say

Investigators say they are leaning away from looking into the man whose home was searched overnight as a suspect, two sources familiar with the matter say.

www.nbcnews.com

Investigators say:

• they are leaning away from looking into the man whose home was searched overnight as a suspect,
• away from a man named Carlos, who was stopped in a car earlier this week,
• and away from any relatives of Guthrie as suspects, the sources said.

I can’t recall following any past cases where LE has conducted multiple major SWAT operations only to dismiss the individuals as possible suspects shortly thereafter. I would imagine that in most cases LE end up chasing down dead-end leads during the course of an investigation, but I can’t think of any past cases (even high profile ones) where LE has mounted such huge (and visible) operations against POIs who are ultimately ruled out as suspects.

 

[marloweclover]

I am surprised by the lack of searching. There are three possibilities, as far as I know.

1) there is a body somewhere outdoors which has not attracted any attention in the usual ways, and it was transported and left without being noticed. I understand the terrain; I live somewhere not unlike Tucson. But even so, I could not guarantee that I could do such a thing with no hikers, no side by side atv or dirtbike users, etc catching me at some point in the act or discovering this shortly thereafter.

2) there is a body in a structure somewhere which has attracted no attention. This is doable imo, as seen in other cases, but requires some luck or some very specific circumstances.

3) there is a living 84 year old woman somewhere with a substantial reward associated with noticing her, and no one has noticed.

 

[SlimPickens]

I don’t think I said otherwise? My point was that FBI themselves obtained the warrants for a state-level crime. If what you said was correct, they would not have the ability to enforce state-level crimes and therefore would not be able to seek a search warrant for state crimes. They are, and do. They can choose whether to take it state or federal as long as it’s a violent crime that falls under the IAVCA.

JMO

This was a federal warrant, not a state warrant. What I said was that because this was a federal warrant ordered by a federal judge for a federal crime that pertains to a federal statute that this case now has federal jurisdiction. Which then means that the FBI leads this case by definition. Period. There is no ambiguity in that. No malicious usurpation. No games being played. No relevant IAVCA qualifiers.

It is via Constitutional fiat.

JMO.

 

[Cryptic]

"A $10 Walmart gun holster"​

Ten dollar gun holster, or say a $400 holster favored by SWAT officers.

Both could show an amateur criminal at work. A certain number of professional criminals never carry a weapon while "working" unless they truly need to.

In this case, the "work" was simply prep work for the kidnapping. There was no need to carry a weapon at all that night. If say, NG's grandson was home and turned on the porch light, he was still going to run away.

In the end, being caught trespassing, burglarizing etc. while armed is a far more serious police matter than doing the same while unarmed.

In the paraphrased words of one professional burglar interviewed on You Tube:
Q. Were you, or a member of your crew, ever armed while committing burglary?
A. Absolutely not! We were burglars, not home invaders. Very different crimes with very different sentences.

 

[SouthAussie]

Nope mostly because fbi have been extremely tight lipped. I was so confused and frustrated all day wondering how they had probable cause to send the SWAT team/massive police presence last night and then not have any arrests. But then when I found out that car was recently sold… it made more sense. And they still impounded the car and took it for evidence yet that house still wasn’t a crime scene this AM. It takes days an ex-fbi agent was saying today to fully examine an entire house for evidence. So clearly the fbi do not think the person who currently owns that car did this, but they are still interested in that car. They’re probably keeping that close to the vest to not tip off anyone so the real perp just thinks they’re way off track. Or, they are totally off and the car wasn’t part of the crime at all, then we are back at square one..

I think that LE has to count things out, as much as they have to count things in.

So they forensically check the vehicle. Then they can say in court that "we did not (or did) find evidence of Nancy being in the vehicle".

If this case ever gets to court, any good defence attorney will challenge the thoroughness of the investigation. They will likely be saying their client didn't do it, someone else did. So thoroughness along the way is crucial.

Everything that LE does must be done properly, because that will become crucial at court time.

imo

 

[Calcano]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022860424878694497

Does it not seem a little unwise on their part to make this public?

 

[Bluewing3102]

Anyone wonder if this signal sniffer is a ploy to get a criminal to move the body?

Theoretically it could work but LE
has no clue where to even search and it wouldn't be very time/cost effective to fly around aimlessly trying to stay within 50 ft of the ground. I'd imagine whoever committed this crime didn't know NG had a pacemaker, but now they're hearing news that it can possibly be "located".

Perhaps they throw out some news that there's a method to locate the pacemaker to make the suspect panic.

JMO

 

[Cedars]

My understanding was that the RR has been under the ownership of the car dealership since before the incident at Ms Guthrie's took place.

Could still have been taken off the lot for a test drive one night...

 

[m00c0w]

This was a federal warrant, not a state warrant. What I said was that because this was a federal warrant ordered by a federal judge for a federal crime that pertains to a federal statute that this case now has federal jurisdiction. Which then means that the FBI leads this case by definition. Period. There is no ambiguity in that. No malicious usurpation. No games being played. No relevant IAVCA qualifiers.

It is via Constitutional fiat.

JMO.

Just your opinion. So we’re clear.

The congressionally passed law is equally clear on the matter. I’m not sure what is confusing. FBI obtaining a federal search warrant that we know nothing about does not in any way, by default, mean that the FBI has taken over an investigation. They have had federal jurisdiction since the Sheriff asked for assistance. They would not be able to function otherwise. I can only keep posting the same law that this all predicated on so many times.

Not my opinion. Literal law. 28 USC 530C.

 

[InVinoVeritas]

IMO the real question here for us at WS is the motive.
It seems highly unlikely that NG willingly answered the door. For a time I did think if she knew the person, this may be the case. However, since the Nest footage, I don't believe this to be true.
However, what I can't fathom is this - if NG had passed away during this incident from a medical condition - why didn't the peeps leave her there, to be found as a crime gone wrong? The hope of ransom?
The above makes me think that NG could've been alive when she left the property. However, I can't work out WHY they took her. It leads more and more to some sort of hostage/demand situation which may have gone wrong.

 

[NewYork625]

Could still have been taken off the lot for a test drive one night...

That's pretty late for a customer to take a test drive, but maybe someone else had access to the key?

 

[fridaybaker]

Just FYI, Megyn Kelly did a show last night where she showed the sketch of “porch guy” by the famous forensic sketch artist with a video still of the guy on someone else’s porch about a week before. There’s a good capture of his face. IMO, they are very similar.

 

[ilgirl]

I found this about the sniffer technology. I think it could work in this case, but they probably need a focused area. JMO.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022893699978641733

 

[Cedars]

That's pretty late for a customer to take a test drive, but maybe someone else had access to the key?

Yes, I should have written "test drive", ie not legit...

Just a possibility.

 

[NewYork625]

Yes, I should have written "test drive", ie not legit...

Just a possibility.

I did wonder if you meant it that way. It does seem like a possibility.

 

[Normancita]

I am surprised by the lack of searching. There are three possibilities, as far as I know.

1) there is a body somewhere outdoors which has not attracted any attention in the usual ways, and it was transported and left without being noticed. I understand the terrain; I live somewhere not unlike Tucson. But even so, I could not guarantee that I could do such a thing with no hikers, no side by side atv or dirtbike users, etc catching me at some point in the act or discovering this shortly thereafter.

2) there is a body in a structure somewhere which has attracted no attention. This is doable imo, as seen in other cases, but requires some luck or some very specific circumstances.

3) there is a living 84 year old woman somewhere with a substantial reward associated with noticing her, and no one has noticed.

#2 is my biggest concern.

There are quite a few “snowbird” houses in NG’s neighborhood and general area. Many of them sit empty for part of the year and some have small sheds in the backyard.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

It seems highly unlikely that NG willingly answered the door. For a time I did think if she knew the person, this may be the case. However, since the Nest footage, I don't believe this to be true.

I agree.

When the Sheriff was quoted earlier as saying NG was "taken from her bed", and then he walked that back by saying he didn't actually know if she was literally in her bed or not, that sounds to me like he is confirming that she didn't come to the door.

Man, I just wish that some of her neighbors were night owls who were up at 2am gazing out their windows or just arriving home at 2am and saw whatever as they drove past. Of course maybe someone did and reported to LE, but nothing seems to have come of it so far. MOO

 

[Lalalacasbah]

This is all starting to feel like one big giant game being played on LE and the media.

Either that, or cat and mouse and the perp is one step ahead every time.

Two SWAT events and nothing.

All within the general area of Tucson... maybe LE have a general geographic area in mind hence the sniffer/helicopter strategy?

It seems like they are so close and know they're close but then keep getting either outsmarted or missing one thing to get the person(s).

I am hoping something happens the next few days.

 

[TheDinks]

Just FYI, Megyn Kelly did a show last night where she showed the sketch of “porch guy” by the famous forensic sketch artist with a video still of the guy on someone else’s porch about a week before. There’s a good capture of his face. IMO, they are very similar.

We had a discussion about that here the other night. Is that the Ring cam footage of a guy seeing cam, turning his back to it and kinda sidling up backwards, reaching hand back to cover while turning his head towards cam and he gets captured side on ??

If its the same one, he was described as 'grubby' guy as his clothes appeared dirty.

 

[NewYork625]

I agree.

When the Sheriff was quoted earlier as saying NG was "taken from her bed", and then he walked that back by saying he didn't actually know if she was literally in her bed or not, that sounds to me like he is confirming that she didn't come to the door.

Man, I just wish that some of her neighbors were night owls who were up at 2am gazing out their windows or just arriving home at 2am and saw whatever as they drove past. Of course maybe someone did and reported to LE, but nothing seems to have come of it so far. MOO

Hard to imagine a woman her age who walks with a cane putting up much of a fight against the intruder(s), but I have wondered if she went out the back door only to be chased back in. It's fairly common for older people to have trouble sleeping at night.