AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[moonglow123]

Cautiously optimistic. Hopefully this leads to the perp, or they can see if it connects to one of the individuals from Friday.

 

[maskedwoman]

Could be kidnapping with intent to murder and not a ransom intent. The ransom letters could be part of a plan to make it look like a classic kidnap for ransom when the intent was something entirely different.

You’re right, if it’s a kidnap for ransom, meds are being taken. Proof of life would have been provided.

If it’s a burglary gone wrong and it’s a stranger, the perpetrators runs off.

If it’s a burglary where the perp is known to Nancy and he realizes she can identify him, he’s taking her out then and there. He’s not taking her with him.

I just think if this guy was working or living with people or had friends, You’d think he’d abruptly leave after following the news and that would lead to somebody calling in with a tip.

There’s still no be on the lookout for this vehicle like in the kohberger case. This guy is/was nearby. IMO.

This case is driving me crazy. Every motive I follow to its typical conclusion goes off the rails at the end. I agree with all of your conclusions about why none of these fit, except the first one (apologies).

I just can't get my brain around kidnapping someone with the intent to murder them. Why would someone haul her off to murder her, and possibly get caught with her in the car, instead of kill her and walk away? You want someone dead, they're dead, job done.

Maybe the issue is that there are some elements to this crime that aren't public yet? Don't ask me what they might be, because I run right into a wall there, too. Like I said, it's making me crazy.

 

[submarine7]

You believe LE has already solved this and is just parading about town? If that’s the case the abduction of NG is much bigger than any of us can imagine. IMO, I’ve felt this wasn’t “amateurish” from the 1st day the video of the suspect was released. I’ve kinda felt it was orchestrated to appear that way though. I also think that the Sheriff’s dept initial thought was that NG wandered off and they didn’t shift to an abduction sooner. In doing so I’m left to think LE didn’t handle the scene and evidence appropriately. That doormat left with the lantana still laying on it bothers me to no end. I’ve always felt this involved more than 1 suspect and I’ve leaned towards at least 3 with 2 of them at NG’s that night. I’m now feeling this involves more than 3. So far FBI has detained and released 5 individuals, when this is solved it will be very interesting if ANY of those released had a connection. I have to believe for NG’s sake and for the Guthrie family that the FBI will apprehend the persons involved.

I believe we will find that at least two of the detained people are connected. I don't know why everybody keeps laughing at the guy on the porch and referring to him as a bumbling rookie but he's evaded arrest so far.

 

[Trino]

Yes, IMO, there are two profiles LE may be working with:

1. A delusional stalker of SG's took the life of NG to get SG's attention they deeply crave, as opined by OPs here. By taking NG's body that disposing it in the desert or mountains, NG's anguish is in their control. They prolong that as long as possible for pleasure. The ransom escapades get them NG's direct attention.

2. Perp(s) who invaded NG's home as theives, unexpectedly end up with a deceased 84 year old woman. If she was on anti-coagulents or blood thinners as her bruised and bandaged arm suggest, NG could have bled out internally from injuries sustained during a struggle (i.e. aspirated blood on the front porch). In their warped, small, sociopathic mind(s) they took NG's body to dispose of it in the desert or mountains. And then they got the idea to ask for ransom for an easy cash (or bitcoin) windfall. But with no proof of life, there is no payout.

Just my morning speculation. IMO.

Agree. Need to find a body. Day 15.

 

[HoffaUnderground]

Good questions. Did they walk her to her front door or stay in the car watching her enter her home? I read that she had mobility issues, so I’m thinking she may have been walking with someone. Was someone hiding inside? Or outside out of sight, then ringing the doorbell? Very sad situation.

This is what i have been thinking. Maybe the person in the video was inside when she returned home. A robbery interrupted kinda of thing.

 

[Tate123]

So FBI agents essentially littered by throwing their own used gloves on the ground near a crime scene while searching? Is that what Sheriff Nanos is implying?

"Investigators collected approximately 16 gloves in various areas near the house. Most of them were searchers’s gloves that they discarded in various areas when they searched the vicinity."

dbm

 

[rosiebean]

So FBI agents essentially littered by throwing their own used gloves on the ground while searching? Is that what Sheriff Nanos is implying?

"Investigators collected approximately 16 gloves in various areas near the house. Most of them were searchers’s gloves that they discarded in various areas when they searched the vicinity."

It wasn’t FBI agents who searched at first:

A timeline of the disappearance of and search for Nancy Guthrie

Five days into the desperate search for 84-year-old Guthrie, the mother of “Today” show host Savannah Guthrie, investigators on Thursday released a detailed timeline.

www.pbs.org

And it’s not unheard of, in searches for missing people, for trash (gloves, water bottles) to be left behind by those searching.

 

[Kapua]

Nancy Guthrie latest: Task force awaits forensic results as search enters third week

Nancy Guthrie went missing two weeks ago after being kidnapped from her home in Tucson, Arizona. Authorities have yet to publicly name any suspects or persons of interest.

www.foxnews.com

"An FBI spokesperson told Fox New Digital on Sunday that a glove with a DNA profile recovered in the Nancy Guthrie case is different from other gloves that have been found and appears to match the gloves of the subject seen in the surveillance video."

 

[SaraSmile]

Yes, IMO, there are two profiles LE may be working with:

1. A delusional stalker of SG's took the life of NG to get SG's attention they deeply crave, as opined by OPs here. By taking NG's body that disposing it in the desert or mountains, NG's anguish is in their control. They prolong that as long as possible for pleasure. The ransom escapades get them NG's direct attention.

2. Perp(s) who invaded NG's home as theives, unexpectedly end up with a deceased 84 year old woman. If she was on anti-coagulents or blood thinners as her bruised and bandaged arm suggest, NG could have bled out internally from injuries sustained during a struggle (i.e. aspirated blood on the front porch). In their warped, small, sociopathic mind(s) they took NG's body to dispose of it in the desert or mountains. And then they got the idea to ask for ransom for an easy cash (or bitcoin) windfall. But with no proof of life, there is no payout.

Just my morning speculation. IMO.

I like your ideas, I’m leaning more towards #2, local bad actors, except the ransom still seems off( opportunists), and maybe took more sophistication than these thugs could pull off. ( setting up Bitcoin address, letters, TMZ, KORN etc). I agree a bunch of low level criminals. Locals.

JMO

 

[cube2]

100% this.

But if it was an act of revenge, the mastermind (?) behind it all would know that the not ever knowing could destroy a person/family.

MOO

Collective punishment.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Yes, IMO, there are two profiles LE may be working with:

1. A delusional stalker of SG's took the life of NG to get SG's attention they deeply crave, as opined by OPs here. By taking NG's body that disposing it in the desert or mountains, NG's anguish is in their control. They prolong that as long as possible for pleasure. The ransom escapades get them NG's direct attention.

2. Perp(s) who invaded NG's home as theives, unexpectedly end up with a deceased 84 year old woman. If she was on anti-coagulents or blood thinners as her bruised and bandaged arm suggest, NG could have bled out internally from injuries sustained during a struggle (i.e. aspirated blood on the front porch). In their warped, small, sociopathic mind(s) they took NG's body to dispose of it in the desert or mountains. And then they got the idea to ask for ransom for an easy cash (or bitcoin) windfall. But with no proof of life, there is no payout.

Just my morning speculation. IMO.

Excellent reasoning and speculations. I think it's a combo of both.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

So FBI agents essentially littered by throwing their own used gloves on the ground near a crime scene while searching? Is that what Sheriff Nanos is implying?

"Investigators collected approximately 16 gloves in various areas near the house. Most of them were searchers’s gloves that they discarded in various areas when they searched the vicinity."

Cannot really envision FBI agents or other searchers leaving their own gloves near a crime scene while they are searching. Possibly 1 or 2 searchers took their gloves off for some reason and then couldn't find them or just forgot to pick them back up, but this still makes no sense to me. Especially since we are talking about 16 gloves. Perhaps some of these gloves had been there for quite awhile and they were picked up as potential evidence but approximately 16 gloves? JMO

 

[ArabianLover]

IMO this case will likely be solved with the assistance of Walmart. When the information on the backpack came out it was an “exclusive” from Walmart, I got a bit excited.

Walmart is a risky place for criminals. How many times have we seen the Dateline’s and other crime shows? The camera over the register? And the “murder kit” coming down the conveyer belt. They get a copy of the receipt. With the date and time. A photo of the purchaser. And they follow the cameras outside and usually get a photo of the vehicle and possibly the license plate.

Walmart has one of the best retail surveillance systems out there. Their inventory system is also top notch. They can look up this gun holster and this backpack to see when and what store it was purchased from.

Then get a list of the credit card receipts. And videos of the purchasers.

I’m sure subpoenas and the leg work involved with checking out the cash purchasers will take time. But this will narrow things down.

 

[SaraSmile]

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Cautiously optimistic. Hopefully this leads to the perp, or they can see if it connects to one of the individuals from Friday.

Wow, that’s a lot of gloves! Since it can be windy, the gloves likely blow out of trucks, especially if trash is not secured in bed.
I see this in CA, too ! People litter so much now. JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

Patience please, this isn’t a 60 minute police show on television. Please refer to the Idaho 4 murders: Rhoden/Wagner case, Alex Murdaugh etc., these real life situations are difficult to solve. And not to forget Joesph James Angelo (AKA “ The Golfen State Killer”) it took 38 years to arrest him!

What I was thinking! Often when we watch a crime drama movie, we learn the guilty party right off the bat, either because the crime is featured at the beginning or the shifty culprit is shown trying to cover his tracks. So we continue watching, knowing police will get it right by the time credits roll and we’re given a feeling of satisfaction, we knew it all along.

So I wonder, is it natural to approach true crime cases in the same way? Pick a possible suspect, solve it in our minds and expect police to follow along with what we think we know.
JMO

 

[joe jones]

Cannot really envision FBI agents or other searchers leaving their own gloves near a crime scene while they are searching. Possibly 1 or 2 searchers took their gloves off for some reason and then couldn't find them or just forgot to pick them back up, but this still makes no sense to me. Especially since we are talking about 16 gloves. Perhaps some of these gloves had been there for quite awhile and they were picked up as potential evidence but approximately 16 gloves? JMO

I am sure LE would be able to recognize there own gloves, it is just incredible to think LE were just discarding there gloves when they didn't need them anymore

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

I believe we will find that at least two of the detained people are connected. I don't know why everybody keeps laughing at the guy on the porch and referring to him as a bumbling rookie but he's evaded arrest so far.

Agree. Believe at least 2 were involved and possibly 3. One was in the back or in house with NG, one was with the car and one was the porch guy. If just 2 involved, porch guy could have been with the car, too.

 

[submarine7]

I don't know if any of you are crossword people but I heard an analogy that I love. Solving cases is like solving a crossword puzzle. In the beginning, you know nothing and you jump around the clues trying to answer them. Slowly, your answers start to create a structure where answers start to come fast because each question you answer speeds the process up. Just sharing because it helps me to think about a case in that way.

 

[K.jill]

If Nancy had an alarm system that she armed at night things may have been different for the perp(s). Police could have gotten to the house in the time they were there. Did they know they didn’t have an alarm to deal with?

 

[submarine7]

What I was thinking! Often when we watch a crime drama movie, we learn the guilty party right off the bat, either because the crime is featured at the beginning or the shifty culprit is shown trying to cover his tracks. So we continue watching, knowing police will get it right by the time credits roll and we’re given a feeling of satisfaction, we knew it all along.

So I wonder, is it natural to approach true crime cases in the same way? Pick a possible suspect, solve it in our minds and expect police to follow along with what we think we know.
JMO

In my opinion if you already have made up your mind you can make almost any evidence conform to your theory.