AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

I had not earlier known it, but at about 0:10 in this drone video of NG’s home, one can see sliding glass doors leading from the home to an enclosed courtyard at a front corner of the home (opposite side of house from the garage).

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The room just inside there appears to have a chimney, so a fireplace. I would expect the main living area to be adjacent to the back courtyard of the home, so wonder if it is NG’s bedroom located next to this smaller courtyard and if these sliding doors may have been an entry point for the perpetrator(s).

Good point. I hadn't thought of this, but the master bedroom often does have its own sliding door to the backyard and pool area. Believe you are likely right - the perpetrator(s) could easily have come in through NG's sliding door. Or, if they wanted to maintain an element of surprise, they could have gone in through the sliding door to the main living area and then immediately gone into NG's master bedroom. JMO

 

[K.jill]

Dbm

 

[heli]

Remember the cam on the roof they got several days later? Was anything ever said about it?

 

[GuyfromCanada]

Do you think that Nancy left her house alive? Or did something happen during the kidnapping/robbery and she had a medical episode and passed within minutes?

 

[MollyHarps]

I’d love to be proven wrong but I just feel like the whole glove thing is clutching at straws.

I’d imagine if you went searching your neighbourhoods you’d all find a pair of these gloves scattered somewhere - they aren’t exactly a unique pair of gloves.

Lesson learnt from this for somebody is don’t fly tip.. you could end up unexpectedly being a suspect in a missing persons investigation.

 

[MassGuy]

Big if true.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023181112026259856

 

[cady]

Do you think that Nancy left her house alive? Or did something happen during the kidnapping/robbery and she had a medical episode and passed within minutes?

No idea,,,,possibly. jmo

 

[MsMatlock]

Very interesting information, thank you
SG seems to love her mom very much so i can only imagine she made sure Nancy has a top of the line quality pacemaker "installed".
So i assume it's not a standard one she has but one with more features? Or how does this work?
Idk - JMO

I am not aware of what would be called standard. I wasn’t presented with an option. It would be what the electrophysiologist at her hospital felt was best and the manufacturer they contract with. Two brands I’m aware of are Biotronik and Medtronic. There are several…but IMO they would all store data for reporting. Mine even allows then to adjust the rhythm range detection point to where it should intervene. Tickles the throat a bit when they do this from a laptop.

 

[stmichael]

Thank you. Makes total sense for his "kit" to include duct tape, zip ties, plastic sheathing, tarp etc. That would certainly fill that 25 L backpack.

It is puzzling that he seemed to have over-stuffed this very cheap backpack and took the chance of it ripping from being so over-filled.

But, he was wearing that crazy cheap holster, too, which also puzzled me.

JMO

And don't forget the 23 and me mouth light transferring saliva. and the other awkward points I listed in that one post I made.

And about the cheap holster--he used a universal pistol holster made for a longer pistol for a smaller semi auto frame. That's just why? It makes drawing and handling the gun awkward and put him at risk, also it could just fall out of that hoslter btw if he had to run, move quickly. And again overly convoluted. Why not just conceal carry and remove it when needed? So much easier and better for a multitude or reasons, like why run out an get a mismatched holster at all. Cause it said so on the wannabe kidnapper checklist he read?

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

FYI: Right now. Robins R-44 Helicopter. Related??
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It's over there by Marana. LE and FBI use helicopters for surveillance when they want to keep track of where people are in a house, when they leave, where they go, etc. Could be surveillance, could be connected with this case or it could be helicopter pilot training. JMO

 

[SlimPickens]

I strongly disagree. This looked like it was his first rodeo.

1. Didn't anticipate a very easily anticipated doorbell cam. $4 can of Krylon spray paint, instant recording disabling, instead of fumbling with latanas.

2. Open carries a late gen frame semi auto in cheap pistol holster (if it was even a real gun). Why not conceal and take it out when you need it? Puts his life at risk with awkward carry and non-profiled holster.

3. Wears bulky gloves that render proper use of firearm useless (can't even get finger in trigger guard, can't properly draw).

4. Distinguishable features on backpack - leaves brand logo, wears reflective strips know to shine on IR so any camera system.

5. Didn't even try to gray-man up or go practical all black and full face mask (which would be much less distinguishable on the IR Nest footage.

6. After all that clumsy attempt at PPE he uses a freakin' mouth light that transfers saliva. D'oh.

7. Disconnects the camera, instead of covering it. Thus making his image the last scene on a non-sub Nest server. Otherwise it would be re-written in the time cycle.

There's probably more...

I've said before this seems like some edgy teenager's attempt at playing kidnapper. All this above stuff had something "lost in translation."


We don't know if he was connected to ransom note at all (many experts now don't think so). We don't know if carried out a home invasion or kidnapping. We simply saw him approaching a front door on cam footage and doing petty vandalism. He could have been a look out, distraction, a part of a crew who did the actual dirty work, or a single bumbling fool that killed NG in his attempt.

As for if he pulled off the crime if it was him (probably was of course). Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. The house is a complete blindspot, secluded, dark no real cams, no neighbor sight-lines, and the mark is a 84 year old lady living alone w/ medical issues and a hearing aide.

There is no proof that he didn't plan for and anticipate the camera. Only proof that he didn't anticipate it working or - perhaps more apt - still working.

Not all (heck not even most) seasoned, successful, and yes - even professional - criminals formally dress for the Home Invaders's Prom or go to yearly home invader trade shows in Vegas for the latest and greatest in kidnapper merch. Indeed, they are usually too busy invading homes. And if they've been successful with minimal change in their standard tools and typical garb, then the 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' mindset probably applies.

That mindset may ultimately get him caught this time since an army of law enforcement, pretty much every major (and minor) media outlet, and a large swath of the general public are collectively looking for him, but it doesn't mean he is a beginner, stupid, naive, or amateur.

JMO.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Do you think that Nancy left her house alive? Or did something happen during the kidnapping/robbery and she had a medical episode and passed within minutes?

While I don’t think it was the original intent, I do think she likely passed in her own home. I sure hope I’m wrong.

Amateur opinion and speculation only

 

[marloweclover]

Thoughts on the very stuffed backpack, imo only.

1) amateur hour. He didn't lay everything he was going to carry out, assess total size accurately and buy a suitable pack.
OR
2) pre-existing possession. He had this bag already and made it work.
OR
3) change of plan. Something bulky had to be added after the kit was assembled.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

I am not aware of what would be called standard. I wasn’t presented with an option. It would be what the electrophysiologist at her hospital felt was best and the manufacturer they contract with. Two brands I’m aware of are Biotronik and Medtronic.

People aren't given a choice of a particular pacemaker, but SG would have made sure that her mother's electrophysiologist was top-notch. An electrophysiologist uses the same brand for all of their patients and it's exactly as MsMatlock says - they use whatever brand the hospital contracts with. They usually have reps of the brand at the hospital so that when the pacemaker is put in, the reps help the patient connect the pacemaker with an app on their phone, their Apple watch or a computer. JMO

 

[WizPro]

Big if true.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023181112026259856

Big or another dead end?

 

[SaraSmile]

The only thing that I could imagine to explain NG opening the door at a late hour (only to be punched in the nose and led away), is a young woman knocking on her door shortly after NG arrived back home and claiming that a package was misdelivered there and she is there to collect it. That is, it would have to be a nonthreatening-appearing person asking for a moment’s help for an easy to resolve routine problem between neighbors (I.e., package misdelivered).

But I think that the later after 10 pm it got, the lower the likelihood that NG would be responding at the door to help, no matter who it was there.

We are told that NG’s pacemaker disconnected from her app sometime after 2 am.

So in this supposed scenario, they’d have to keep NG there at the scene for hours after the ruse at the front door and the punch in the nose.

I’m still not clear on the disconnect between pacemaker and app. Was it connected all the time from 9:50 until the disconnect after 2 am? OR, did it just not connect at a regularly scheduled time of roughly 2 am. The difference matters.

Interesting ideas to consider.
JMO, the FBI already has the images from the front door camera feed fir Jan 31-Feb 1, it was thought it was disabled by lantana man around 2, and so far, nothing earlier in the evening has been released.
If FBI has other images, so far not shown.
FBI did have the images of Lantana man at front door close to 2.

J MO

 

[jtfolden]

I strongly disagree. This looked like it was his first rodeo.

1. Didn't anticipate a very easily anticipated doorbell cam. $4 can of Krylon spray paint, instant recording disabling, instead of fumbling with latanas.

2. Open carries a late gen frame semi auto in cheap pistol holster (if it was even a real gun). Why not conceal and take it out when you need it? Puts his life at risk with awkward carry and non-profiled holster.

3. Wears bulky gloves that render proper use of firearm useless (can't even get finger in trigger guard, can't properly draw).

4. Distinguishable features on backpack - leaves brand logo, wears reflective strips know to shine on IR so any camera system.

5. Didn't even try to gray-man up or go practical all black and full face mask (which would be much less distinguishable on the IR Nest footage.

6. After all that clumsy attempt at PPE he uses a freakin' mouth light that transfers saliva. D'oh.

7. Disconnects the camera, instead of covering it. Thus making his image the last scene on a non-sub Nest server. Otherwise it would be re-written in the time cycle.

There's probably more...

I've said before this seems like some edgy teenager's attempt at playing kidnapper. All this above stuff had something "lost in translation."


We don't know if he was connected to ransom note at all (many experts now don't think so). We don't know if carried out a home invasion or kidnapping. We simply saw him approaching a front door on cam footage and doing petty vandalism. He could have been a look out, distraction, a part of a crew who did the actual dirty work, or a single bumbling fool that killed NG in his attempt.

As for if he pulled off the crime if it was him (probably was of course). Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. The house is a complete blindspot, secluded, dark no real cams, no neighbor sight-lines, and the mark is a 84 year old lady living alone w/ medical issues and a hearing aide.

ALL OF THIS.

There is nothing impressive at all about what we know of this person so far. Luck eventually runs out.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

Thoughts on the very stuffed backpack, imo only.

1) amateur hour. He didn't lay everything he was going to carry out, assess total size accurately and buy a suitable pack.
OR
2) pre-existing possession. He had this bag already and made it work.
OR
3) change of plan. Something bulky had to be added after the kit was assembled.

Good points

 

[clearskies1]

Weird. Have heard of burglaries gone wrong where the victim is killed at the home but not where the victim is taken from the home. That requires a lot of effort.

 

[cady]

Big or another dead end?

I guess BIG, if RR is connected. jmo