• #30,961
IMO it's highly unlikely that Nancy is still alive.

I think the perp(s) went to plan B and disposed of Nancy because of the amount of publicity this case has got and feared they would get caught if they tried to go ahead with the ransom.
Agreed. It's just odd that CBS 5 reporter claims LE believe she's alive.
 
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  • #30,963
Big or another dead end?
IMO it does not make sense to me. Alllll the houses out there and this one gets randomly targeted? Not sure.
 
  • #30,964
If it was a robbery gone bad, WHY take the body?
Why take a body regardless of how they passed? I believe NG left there alive, but injured. JMO
 
  • #30,965
I was wondering the same. Does kidnapper run a full service elderly equipped nursing home type kidnapping lair? Seems like a difficult type person to kidnap who would need a lot of assistance.
Two weeks is a long time to keep someone at her age and condition, especially with the trauma she endured being taken from her home. There also haven’t been any certain ransom letters, that give enough info, to make paying a ransom worth it. People that kidnap for ransom don’t wait this long. It’s a transactional deal they want over quickly. It’s far too risky otherwise.
 
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If it was a robbery gone bad, WHY take the body?
My thing is even if robbery gone bad, as in she wakes up....why not robber just run out of the door and leave???? She's 84 and you (the robber) have a gun. So "robbery gone bad" not making sense either.
 
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a burglary gone wrong with a full backpack? where was he going to put the stuff he robbed? was there actually anything missing minus NG?

hard time believing this one, unfortunately.

would love to be wrong though.
Right! And if so, why take her body? Odd.
 
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DBM
 
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a burglary gone wrong with a full backpack? where was he going to put the stuff he robbed? was there actually anything missing minus NG?

hard time believing this one, unfortunately.

would love to be wrong though.
If they think it was an intended robbery, possibly inside the backpack was another bag? (this may have been mentioned already, I've struggled to keep up with the posts!)
 
  • #30,970
Passed away or subdued, carried out. Blood droplets all the way from front foot to car. Perfectly round droplets, not smeared, she did not walk out, her feet would have smeared the drops.
Just an idea

JMO
Is the consensus now that she must have been carried out because the blood drops are not smeared? And she could be alive, unconscious, or deceased?
 
  • #30,971
If the kidnappers came into the bedroom to take NG, perhaps she put up a fight. They hit her hard in the face and had to carry her out the front door. Would that kind of injury to the face and nose cause the kind of blood splatter we see on the front step?
This has been my exact thought on this, I agree with you.
 
  • #30,972
I'm thinking that if it was a burglary gone bad, it doesn't make sense that he would take NG with him. He was totally disguised. Why take her with him? This IMO points more to a kidnapping.
It could be a burglary by someone who knew her. Even though he was masked she may have recognized his voice so he decided to kill her and remove body because it was evidence. JMO.
 
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Weird. Have heard of burglaries gone wrong where the victim is killed at the home but not where the victim is taken from the home. That requires a lot of effort.
Especially on the fly.

Plus ups the charges considerably and complicates everything.
 
  • #30,974
I’ve said a few times a burglary gone wrong seems incredibly unlikely in this case as if it had then I’d expect her to have been found in the home injured or deceased. The only way I could maybe understand her being taken is if she was able to identify the perp(s) but even then I think it’d have been much easier for them to kill her rather than take her. If burglary gone wrong is the situation and she’s currently alive, she’s either going to be found alive because LE know the identities of the kidnappers and find the location she’s at or she’s going to be found dead once they start closing in and the perp panics. Both of which mean they went to the trouble of taking her for what? It just doesn’t make much sense to me as a theory. 🤷🏻‍♀️
 
  • #30,975
Change of clothes
Certainly a possibility, as JMO he would not want to be seen walking down the street or otherwise moving around the neighborhood dressed as he was on the porch. He may dress for his dirty work just before approaching the house and then change back to his street clothes upon leaving.
 
  • #30,976
None of this may be true, but if any of these points are true, this is significant.

She says that a "source says investigators believe this was a burglary gone bad". Perhaps things were taken from the house that LE hasn't revealed? Money or jewelry missing? Wonder what is different now that makes LE say this? If, indeed, they really are thinking that this was a burglary gone bad.

And then she said that a source says that there's "widespread belief by investigators that NG could be alive". Doesn't give any reasons that they believe that NG could be alive but they may have compelling evidence that points to this. If this is true, I imagine we might hear more about this from LE.

If this source is accurate, these points are a very big deal and LE is possibly much further along in this investigation than would appear to the public.

I don't understand how "a burglary gone bad" could quickly pivot to the perpetrators taking NG from the house and without any planning, take her somewhere safe and keep her alive without NG seeing who they are.

JMO
What happened with the 1st ransom email,it supposedly said that they new things only police would know inside house?
 
  • #30,977
Sheriff Nanos responds to me about the local Phoenix news report that sites an inside source who says investigators believe the Guthrie case was a burglary gone bad and that Nancy Guthrie is still alive."Did not come from us. No idea and even though that is one of many possibilities we would never speculate such a thing. We will let the evidence take us to motive."

 
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Two weeks is a long time to keep someone at her age and condition, especially with the trauma she endured being taken from her home. There also haven’t been any certain ransom letters, that give enough info, to make paying a ransom worth it. People that kidnap for ransom don’t wait this long. It’s a transactional deal they want over quickly. It’s far too risky otherwise.
Yes, they would have to keep her healthy, fed, able to relieve herself with or without a washroom and keep her quiet.

I am hoping for a miracle here.
 
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DBM
 
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Passed away or subdued, carried out. Blood droplets all the way from front foot to car. Perfectly round droplets, not smeared, she did not walk out, her feet would have smeared the drops.
Just an idea

JMO
Yeah someone suggested a couple pages back he could have taken her in a fireman's carry. This makes sense and while sidestepping through the front door, carrying her, he adjusted the carry cause she prob slipped away and therefore squeezed her a bit which created the spray of blood.
I still believe the reason he carried her out was because of fear of DNA traces. Who knows, maybe she bit through his glove or scratched him in the face or something.
JMO
 

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