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Is anyone else annoyed that searchers discarded their gloves on the ground instead of disposing them in a way that didn’t slow down the investigation? DNA techs had to test all those discarded gloves for clues.:confused:
Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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I sure hope it's a breakthrough, but that's going to sound like one silly expert if it turns out to be nothing. Here's hoping this isn't Lantana man's first time being involved in a crime that qualifies for CODIS.
IMO it seems possible that Lantana guy may have a committed a burglary or some type of smaller crime prior to getting involved in kidnapping the mother of a famous person. JMO
 
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Feb 15, 2026
Two weeks since her mother's disappearance in Tucson, Savannah Guthrie releases a new video pleading for help. The FBI has also reveals new DNA information.
Feb 15, 2026 CATALINA FOOTHILLS
Former FBI agent Lance Leising discusses recent developments in the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, who has been missing for two weeks.
 
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At the risk of sounding a little too out there..., in SG's video released this past hour, is it a possibility she could be utilizing FBI guidance for non-verbal communication with suspects? I.e. morse code via blinks, left/right glances as a form of communication, etc.? Watching the video on mute it seemed like blinking was spread very evenly across the duration, though I imagine in the more reasonable scenario ones eyes may become more irritated navigating this scenario in her position.
Is the suspect in the CIA? That seems pretty advanced, I dont even know morse code, do you? Im not sure the suspect would know it either unless this a high level crime, right? If so, then your theory probably holds. Its unlikely they've had time to train SG on communicating with morse code with her eyeballs with everything going on. Just a hunch.
 
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Still makes you wonder why the station put that report out.
Agreed. I was so surprised, it just did not make sense.
 
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The backpack could've contained sacks for loot. Or the intended loot could be small & portable, such as jewelry.

I do agree that we haven't heard that anything was missing. Though that might relate to the "gone wrong" part.

I too am wondering how they came to this conclusion, assuming this report is correct. We'll see.

JMO
A burglary is not technically a robbery. To summarize a post a couple of pages back it's an intent to break and enter with the goal to commit a felony.
 
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I read in a post here that the other gloves were all supposedly discarded by searchers? I was SHOCKED. Yes, that’s what pockets are for. Search and Rescue folks don’t fling used gloves around AFAIK 🙄
Was optimistically thinking that the gloves fell out of their pockets or they somehow misplaced them since I can't fathom searchers just discarding their gloves during or after the time they were searching for NG and/or evidence. JMO
 
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Money or Attention/Fame are really the only 2. And revenge.
We're not really free to say what I suspect many people are thinking...because it's political
 
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As far as DNA on the glove, they should also test it for plant DNA for the shrub the suspect picked in front of the house
 
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I'm out of date with this case, but the "burglary gone wrong" theory just seems wrong unless they did no research and/or got the wrong house? A woman in her 80s would definitely be at home during the time the person came to the door. In fact, if they expected her to be out, why bother _going_ to the door?
 
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Also some dancers and athletes such as skaters, imo.
I can confirm that some city pool life guards in tornado areas are trained in the fireman's carry. This is not because there is a big expectation that it would be used. Rather, its probably just part of the "just in case" techniques.

I would also add upper level Boy Scouts under the "always be prepared" Idea. But.... Boy Scouts participation has evidently plummeted.
 
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Or didn’t want the house sold. No body & no murder scene means an official death ruling may take years. That house won’t be able to be sold.
Unless the body is found in a few weeks months. Then it can be administered.
 
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[I agree with you, and out of curiosity I did a simple google search of "What professions are taught how to carry a lifeless body over shoulder?", and I am not sure of the RULES about posting this type of response but hoping I do not offend anyone or get slapped down for posting it... I am TRYING to just offer my own thoughts.... and the response was:

Several professions are trained in the

Fireman’s Carry (or Firefighter’s Carry), a specialized technique used to transport an unconscious or "lifeless" person over the shoulders. This method is preferred for moving a casualty over long distances because it distributes weight evenly across the rescuer's shoulders.

Primary Professions Using This Technique
  • Military Personnel: Soldiers are extensively trained in the fireman's carry to evacuate wounded comrades from combat zones. It is specifically included in the U.S. Marine Corps Combat Fitness Test as part of the "Maneuver Under Fire" component.
  • Firefighters: Historically the origin of the technique, firefighters are trained in this carry to move victims out of dangerous environments. However, modern firefighting often prioritizes dragging techniques to keep the victim closer to the ground, where the air is cooler and clearer.
  • Lifeguards: Lifeguards may be trained in this method for transporting an unconscious victim across land (such as a beach) to a safe area for medical treatment.
  • Police Officers: Law enforcement training often includes the fireman's carry for emergency rescue scenarios, such as moving an injured officer or civilian during active threats.
  • First Responders (CERT/EMTs): Members of Community Emergency Response Teams (CERT) and some EMTs are taught the technique as an option for single-rescuer evacuations.



Specialized & Non-Emergency Contexts
  • Martial Artists and Wrestlers: The technique is a fundamental move in freestyle wrestling (known as Kata Guruma in Judo and Jiu-Jitsu) used to take down an opponent by lifting them over the shoulders.
  • Professional Wrestlers: Many professional wrestlers use variations of the fireman's carry (e.g., the Attitude Adjustment or Samoan Drop) as a setup for offensive moves. ]
IMO, In my own curiosity just a thought that the perpetrator may have been one of these (Former or current military, trained in wrestling or martial arts, or wrestling)?? Please delete if not allowed.
While people with these professions (and some others that have been mentioned), can do this sort of carry, I kind of doubt that of Mr. Holster-in-the-front Lantana guy.

So for this and other reasons, I suspect that at least two people were involved.

JMO
 
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Is anyone else annoyed that searchers discarded their gloves on the ground instead of disposing them in a way that didn’t slow down the investigation? DNA techs had to test all those discarded gloves for clues.:confused:
Honestly, I'm not terribly upset about this. I think between the huge number of searchers/LE, there were probably hundreds, if not thousands, of disposable gloves used in this search, which we now know covered several miles. Between changing between touching things, and changing simply due to sweaty hands from the nitrile, I'm just not surprised that gloves ended up on the sides of roads, etc. It's just the reality of desperate searching for an abducted woman by hundreds of people who are constantly changing gloves. Obviously, they tried to put the used ones in their pockets or other receptacle but, really, there aren't trash cans every quarter mile or so in the search grid.

I really don't see this as a problem. Just clean them up afterwards but, this is a frantic search to save a woman's life. Gloves are trivial in comparison. If someone is troubled, organize a "cleanup party". I'm not meaning to be cavalier or sarcastic or something, I really just think that the gloves are an insignificant issue in a desperate search to save a woman's life.
 
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Is anyone else annoyed that searchers discarded their gloves on the ground instead of disposing them in a way that didn’t slow down the investigation? DNA techs had to test all those discarded gloves for clues.:confused:

I'm of the opinion that they needed an excuse for telling the public that there was that many gloves on the side of the road in the first place. Because there almost certainly wasn't that many gloves found, and professional searchers aren't ogres - they're law enforcement agents! - who tend to be quite meticulous about evidence collection because their job description requires it. Heck, there may not have been any glove on the side of the road, or any glove found at all for that matter. I feel like if there is a glove that the most likely truth as to its source is when they said it was inside the home, but on the off chance that that is even true they (wisely) walked it back.

JMO.
 
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I'm out of date with this case, but the "burglary gone wrong" theory just seems wrong unless they did no research and/or got the wrong house? A woman in her 80s would definitely be at home during the time the person came to the door. In fact, if they expected her to be out, why bother _going_ to the door?

Was optimistically thinking that the gloves fell out of their pockets or they somehow misplaced them since I can't fathom searchers just discarding their gloves during or after the time they were searching for NG and/or evidence. JMO
Didn't the OJ Simposon trial kind of revolve around a dropped/discarded glove? Its hard to imagine, but it happens, apparently.
 
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i enjoyed the discussion and theories at the beginning of this case (my first post was on page 37... crazy where we are two weeks later) and i really thought it would be solved a lot more quickly. but this has just become stressful to follow (as if my feelings matter). so i cannot fathom what nancy's family is going through, it's completely heart wrenching and i continue to pray for them.

also praying there's a some kind of break in this case soon. i'll be back when that time comes.
 
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We're not really free to say what I suspect many people are thinking...because it's political
My political possibilities could be opposite those of other members.
 
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The family of “Today” anchor Savannah Guthrie is living through the kind of nightmare she usually covers from behind a news desk. Her 84-year-old mother, Nancy Guthrie, vanished from her Arizona home, and relatives say there is zero chance she simply wandered off. As new forensic clues surface and homicide detectives move in, the case has shifted from a missing-person mystery to a full-on criminal investigation.

At the center of it all are Savannah and her siblings, who are pushing back hard on any suggestion that age or confusion played a role in Nancy’s disappearance. They describe a sharp, independent woman whose life revolved around faith, family, and routine, and they are now watching that life get dissected by detectives, federal agents, and a national audience

New reports attributing Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance to a burglary gone wrong were disputed by a law enforcement source Sunday, as investigators pushed back on what they say is not the leading theory in the case.

The source said the latest theory behind the missing 84-year-old’s disappearance is not currently the prevailing view among investigators.

“This is not the working theory inside the unit,” the source said before pushing back further on the burglary narrative, noting that nighttime residential burglaries are uncommon.

“Nighttime residential burglaries are so ridiculously rare. Crazy rare,” the source said, before highlighting how “commercial building burglaries” happen at night and “residential during the day.”

The source also questioned whether Guthrie’s home would have been a likely burglary target.

“We don’t have any indication that [Guthrie] really kept anything valuable there and if this was a burglary gone wrong, they don’t take the victim with them usually,” the source said.

“I guess anything is possible but my gut says it’s something else entirely.”
 
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Agreed. I'm trying to figure out still if the videos of two diferrent men wearing backpacks are working together or random.

i'm pretty sure they ruled that guy out as being connected pretty shortly after the video was released. i'll edit when i find a source.
 

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