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Honestly, I'm not terribly upset about this. I think between the huge number of searchers/LE, there were probably hundreds, if not thousands, of disposable gloves used in this search, ....

I really don't see this as a problem. Just clean them up afterwards but, this is a frantic search to save a woman's life. Gloves are trivial in comparison. If someone is troubled, organize a "cleanup party". I'm not meaning to be cavalier or sarcastic or something, I really just think that the gloves are an insignificant issue in a desperate search to save a woman's life.
You do know one of the key parts of the investigation they are currently doing is picking up gloves on the side of the road near NG's house and testing them for DNA. in hopes they can link them to the only suspect seen on camera (wearing such gloves) and turn that into find her? So all these other gloves are slowing down this process.
 
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A burglary is not technically a robbery. To summarize a post a couple of pages back it's an intent to break and enter with the goal to commit a felony.
Yes, burglary is entering a structure with the intent to commit a crime. That crime could be theft, arson, rape, murder, robbery, kidnapping, dognapping. Robbery, on the other hand, is a direct confrontation of a person to separate them from their possessions.

"A robbery involves actually taking things from a person, while burglary involves simply taking things out of a place. Note that you don’t even have to steal things to be charged for a burglary."

 
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Does anyone wonder how much more they have on tape, I.e. maybe they see them removing Nancy? They have only released part of the tape to us so I wonder how much more is seen
 
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Honestly, I'm not terribly upset about this. I think between the huge number of searchers/LE, there were probably hundreds, if not thousands, of disposable gloves used in this search, which we now know covered several miles. Between changing between touching things, and changing simply due to sweaty hands from the nitrile, I'm just not surprised that gloves ended up on the sides of roads, etc. It's just the reality of desperate searching for an abducted woman by hundreds of people who are constantly changing gloves. Obviously, they tried to put the used ones in their pockets or other receptacle but, really, there aren't trash cans every quarter mile or so in the search grid.

I really don't see this as a problem. Just clean them up afterwards but, this is a frantic search to save a woman's life. Gloves are trivial in comparison. If someone is troubled, organize a "cleanup party". I'm not meaning to be cavalier or sarcastic or something, I really just think that the gloves are an insignificant issue in a desperate search to save a woman's life.
Except they didn’t clean them up afterwards and they waited for a while. Cleaning as you go means you don’t make more work for investigators trying to find Someone IMO
 
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You do know one of the key parts of the investigation they are currently doing is picking up gloves on the side of the road near NG's house and testing them for DNA. in hopes they can link them to the only suspect seen on camera (wearing such gloves) and turn that into find her? So all these other gloves are slowing down this process.

Law enforcement officers collecting evidence don't drop their dang gloves on the ground. The story about finding a glove on the side of the road is almost certainly a false one.

JMO.
 
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Law enforcement officers collecting evidence don't drop their dang gloves on the ground. The story about finding a glove on the side of the road is almost certainly a false one.

JMO.
I was responding directly to someone saying they don't see how searchers dropping gloves on the ground effects this case at all.

And "almost certainly"? Certainty is a binary absolute.. You can't be almost pregnant and you can't be almost certain. But the person I was responding to was going off that report.
 
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SG, IMO, is talking to the perp directly. This is what he craves! SG's attention. Undivided attention....he's been suffering from unrequited love from her for sooooo long! Think like a frustrated stalker who has the ultimate souvenir that keeps on giving. He has the mom of the object of his affection! Maybe he even sits and talks to NG. Asks for stories about SG. As an aside, the other day SG posted that video of her, her sister and NG from many years ago. That wasn't from just grieving, imo. That was something designed to appeal to the perp. Might even have been done at the perp's direction. Nancy may be alive. She's an insurance policy for the perp. ( SO HE FANTASIZES IN HIS TWISTED BRAIN) SG will continue to speak to him as long as he has NG. Some day he will release NG, perhaps. He will tell himself he is righteous and noble and returning NG to her family and SG will love him forever for that. THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX! MOO

Yes, at the present time he and SG share a bond together through NG. What well known celebrity hasn’t had a disturbed stalker, some of these obsessions can last for years. If he can’t have SG for himself, then her love for her mother places her as his next best.
JMO
 
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Agreed. I was so surprised, it just did not make sense.
There are experts in the FBI and possibly LE who know the best words and phrases to use in communicating with kidnappers. While this idea seems a bit crazy, it's possible that these experts in kidnapper communication worked with LE to tone down how the crime is described. Shortly after a respected news person announced that a source in the LE said that most of LE believe this was a burglary gone bad, SG made a plea to the kidnappers where she used language that fit with the "burglary gone bad" message from LE that the news person announced. LE may be saying this crime was a "burglary gone bad" in the hopes that this new language could be persuasive for SG in successfully appealing to the kidnapper, with the hoped result being the return of NG.

JMO
 
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Does anyone wonder how much more they have on tape, I.e. maybe they see them removing Nancy? They have only released part of the tape to us so I wonder how much more is seen
I've been wondering this since the day the video came out. I personally don't think that's the only video they have. I think it's the best one to put out to the public to see if anyone can identify the person. But I think there's more. Much more. IMO
 
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Yes, at the present time he and SG share a bond together through NG. What well known celebrity hasn’t had a disturbed stalker, some of these obsessions can last for years. If he can’t have SG for himself, then her love for her mother places her as his next best.
JMO
Agree that this theory is quite possible. JMO
 
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Yes, burglary is entering a structure with the intent to commit a crime. That crime could be theft, arson, rape, murder, robbery, kidnapping, dognapping. Robbery, on the other hand, is a direct confrontation of a person to separate them from their possessions.

"A robbery involves actually taking things from a person, while burglary involves simply taking things out of a place. Note that you don’t even have to steal things to be charged for a burglary."

What then is the difference between breaking and entering and burglary?
 
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Yes, burglary is entering a structure with the intent to commit a crime. That crime could be theft, arson, rape, murder, robbery, kidnapping, dognapping. Robbery, on the other hand, is a direct confrontation of a person to separate them from their possessions.

"A robbery involves actually taking things from a person, while burglary involves simply taking things out of a place. Note that you don’t even have to steal things to be charged for a burglary."

Ah!! Thanks for distinguishing those two. I honestly did not know that, but makes sense.
 
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I've been wondering this since the day the video came out. I personally don't think that's the only video they have. I think it's the best one to put out to the public to see if anyone can identify the person. But I think there's more. Much more. IMO
I'm sure there's more, there also might be more that they haven't been able to recover yet or just recently came back via other cameras.
 
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I've been wondering this since the day the video came out. I personally don't think that's the only video they have. I think it's the best one to put out to the public to see if anyone can identify the person. But I think there's more. Much more. IMO
I'm also sure that they have much more video that hasn't been released to the public. Video from the front nest cam, possible video from indoor cameras and from the roof cameras. Since those 2 outdoor cameras by the roof were operating the night NG was abducted, it seems likely they have a great deal more footage of the outside as well. IMO
 
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She is sitting outside in front of a plant. No flag.
Right. Time to pit my glasses on! It must have been the background on FOX I was seeing.
 
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Yes, burglary is entering a structure with the intent to commit a crime. That crime could be theft, arson, rape, murder, robbery, kidnapping, dognapping. Robbery, on the other hand, is a direct confrontation of a person to separate them from their possessions.

"A robbery involves actually taking things from a person, while burglary involves simply taking things out of a place. Note that you don’t even have to steal things to be charged for a burglary."

Thanks for the clarification -- I was conflating burglary with theft/robbery. Based on the definitions given, when LE is said to suspect that this was "a burglary gone wrong," are you saying that rather that involving theft or robbery, or it could be an arson, rape, kidnapping, or murder "gone wrong"?

My guess is that if LE did say this, they meant it was an attempted theft or robbery that went wrong. Because very unfortunately, it looks like kidnapping did occur, and other things may have as well.

JMO
 
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What then is the difference between breaking and entering and burglary?
You can break and enter without intent to commit felony. Just simple breaking and entering.
 
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My political possibilities could be opposite those of other members.
Still, if other theories can be discussed it seems like political retribution theories should be included, based on perceived possibilities. It may not be political, but an awful lot of people are coming to that conclusion. I wonder if we'll ever know. I hope so. Sending so much love to Savannah & her family.
 
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I think it’s very interesting the caption says that NEXT right thing….

This implies the kidnapper has done something right to this point, to me anyway.
SG is appealing to his goodness and to knowing that he wants to do the next right thing. Wondering if she knows of something right he has done or if it's a strategic part of her plea to him. IMO her plea to the kidnapper was brilliantly done. JMO
 

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