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Who is him? The guy at the front door was was masked. If someone else entered the home through another entry point then perhaps. But then the motive is to remove her, either to kill her or to hold her for ransom.
Him, is mask guy, who in all his brilliance managed to get caught on the doorbell camera. This crime was very unsophisticated, hence an opportunist burglary gone wrong. As to how she could identify him...I believe they interacted in some capacity in the past such as a lawn maintenance guy, handyman or other service person. What she could identify is his voice.
 
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That thought makes me so sad. If that was the case, imagine her fear. That little old lady
😣😣😣😔😞😔

I’m not judging. I try my best not to in heavy situations. We never REALLY know how we’d react in such situations. I’m sure there’s info we the public don’t about.

But i sure do wish they would have just paid the ransom when it was 1 million — for so many reasons. One being for Nancy’s sake, of course. But another is for the family’s future peace of mind. So they can rest at night with the thought of well we did all we could. You know? It would haunt me forever. Again you never know b/c we don’t know what all they know, but I’m pretty sure if an immediate family member of mine was taken, I’d tell the FBI to kick rocks no matter what their reasons were to not pay. I’d pay the ransom. I’d come up with a million dollars from friends and family and the community before the “due date”
I agree, but we do know,according to hl that money was moving in the original bitcoin account, but we don't know how much, so there's that
 
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Range Rovers carry Land Rover badges. Technically, the brand is Land Rover. Here's the rear view of a Range Rover Sport from 2017, with a regular Range Rover alongside it. Both carry Land Rover badges.

Source – CarSized.com
Yes. Land Rover is the make. Range Rover is the model. (as an example, Ford = make, Bronco = model)
 
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Judging by the over all incompetence of the crime scene and his actions, I speculate that if he killed her, he took off and didn't look back. But, if he did kill her, it was not intentional. I do not believe he killed her though.
Agree it was unintentional. Maybe the criminal had nothing to do with NG injury. She could have been attempting to flee, fell, hit her head. Perp did not know what to do, spent those 41 minutes checking NG with no response. He then decided to take her. Then what?
 
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Inside info (source) told them it was an intended burglary

They are testing DNA from the scene

Source said possibility Ms Guthrie is still alive
I certainly pray that is true, but I will be very surprised if NG is still alive. A home invasion is a huge stressor for someone with heart trouble. Being kidnapped even more so. Since SG described her as frail, I'm afraid her system couldn't withstand much fear
and stress.

Now, if the criminals were intending a burglary, I don't see how they would be prepared for that to become a kidnapping. With no expectation of having a hostage, they had no reason to prepare a place to hold her. And every hour she remains with them, with no meds, is more stress on her body. Her captors should be freaked out and freaked out people don't make good decisions.

Regardless, I admire SG's steadfast effort to reach whatever spark of humanity may live in the people that took her. I can't imagine what hell they are going through.
 
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I agree, but we do know,according to hl that money was moving in the original bitcoin account, but we don't know how much, so there's that
I believe one of the local stations that also got the original letter said the amount in the transaction on the bitcoin account was less than $300
 
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Agree. Was curious to see what folks are thinking now. I still go back to my original inclination. I do believe it was murder, and I do think that a person/persons were hired as part of the scenario, perhaps for the original deed, maybe for cleanup. I think it will end up being very close to her inner circle because I think whoever was acquainted with the property, the home, that area and we know felt comfortable enough to be inside for 41 minutes in the middle of the night.

I do not buy into burglary or kidnapping. That backpack was stuffed to the gills, and no burglar is going to go in without room to take whatever they're supposedly there for plus nothing seems to show stolen items. And I still go back to the same thought that no one is going to take an elderly, sick woman on a cane hostage. You also have the facts early on where there was no request for money until I think some random folks got involved with notes, etc that have nothing to do with the original murder. It's not cartel, too messy, not their style.

Maybe it was an argument that went wrong or I do still think there's a chance that the people associated with the murder tried to stage it as though it was a burglary or a kidnapping, etc. However, I do not think that was the actual intent in any of it. I think it was disposal and cleanup. Just awful.
I agree with most of this, LE brought in the homicide squad right away.
The only part is “ someone close” to NG, if they have interviewed all family, workers, delivery people, who could it be?
Perhaps, the 41 minutes inside, included NG negotiating, “I won’t tell, please let me go” ( just an example). They considered letting her stay, live, but it was too big a risk, even with disguises.

I still think it could be something as simple as local thugs in the drug trade, NG saw or found out something about a worker, moonlighting in drug trade. Too big a risk, she needed to be gone.

I hope I’m wrong, that somehow she is still alive.
 
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The Lantana man was covered head to toe in coverings, how was his DNA discovered in the house? What was it? Did he sneeze and even with the masks on, droplets fell onto a surface? I think there were two people inside, maybe the second person wasn’t as careful and his/her hand physically touched something?

I may be wrong, but I got the impression that the glove they found with the dna in it matched the glove the perp was wearing, not that they had dna to compare it with.Just a match on the gloves maybe. Correct me if I am wrong. JMOO
 
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Yes, Google backend systems can recover disconnected or deleted Nest camera footage, a capability highlighted by high-profile law enforcement investigations, such as in February 2026, where the FBI retrieved video from a disconnected camera that had no active subscription. I.e. The Nancy Guthrie Case
@jtfolden is trying to make the point that if the camera were really disconnected from the internet (in this case, via wi-fi), the footage that's stored locally in the Nest camera, ready for upload to Google's servers, is never uploaded. For it to be uploaded, it needs a connection. Even the FBI can't recover footage from Google's servers if that footage never left the camera. If the camera was disconnected, and footage recorded after the disconnection was recovered, the camera had to have reconnected at some point and uploaded the footage to Google's servers.
 
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Anyone else get the impression the Guthrie family is privately corresponding with one of the kidnapper or ransom note writers?
Interesting thought. Even someone other than NG's children, like maybe one of the SILs.
 
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I posted this last night. LE should potentially be able tie the glove to the Guthrie residence through plant DNA. The glove in question , if used by the perp, should be loaded with lantana plant DNA .
And the perp had the bite light in his mouth, a rich source of DNA, which should be on the glove when he pulled the light out of his mouth. We see the bite light in his mouth and him handling the lantana plant on video. So the plant DNA and his own DNA should be on that glove. And we have the video of all of it.
 
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Not sure if it has been mentioned but it appears that the intruder has something bulky on under neat their pants that changes the appearance of his/her legs/torso. You can clearly see it in the video as well.
 

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Headed down to Tucson for team coverage of the Nancy Guthrie case. It's Day 16 in the search for the missing 84yo mom of Savannah Guthrie.


9:38 AM · Feb 16, 2026


NANCY GUTHRIE CASE: Per Sheriff Nanos, the "ONLY article of clothing" identified regarding suspect is the backpack which is exclusively sold at Walmart. Nanos says detectives working with Walmart management for more leads.


10:30 AM · Feb 16, 2026



Unless this is purposeful, Nanos needs to stop speaking to media. Not doing any official press conference until there’s substantial info while speaking so much to so many media members is odd. MOO
 
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“Investigators’ first challenge is, can the victim be located and what is the victim’s condition at this point,” Miller said.

“The victim comes first,” Miller added. “Right now, when it comes to how the victim is, where the victim is, and what condition the victim is in, is a blind spot for (investigators).”

Another concern is the apparent lack of communication between law enforcement and the Guthrie family with possible kidnappers.

“At this point, the investigators – as far as we know – have lost touch with individuals who were purporting to be the kidnappers. No proof of life has been offered, to our knowledge,” Miller noted, referencing two ransom notes sent to news outlets shortly after Guthrie was first reported missing

As we’ve learned time and again, sometimes it is the more obscure lead that may end up further down in the pile that has the answer in it,” Miller said. “The only way to get there is to go through them as fast

“This may be the most high-profile kidnapping in America since the Lindbergh baby because of the nature of the victim and the victim’s family,” Miller pointed out, noting Savannah Guthrie’s high profile as an anchor of “Today.”
 
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Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos ruled out the theory that the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, the 84-year-old mother of TODAY Show anchor Savannah Guthrie, was a burglary gone bad while speaking to the Daily Mail.

“This is somebody who disappeared from the face of the Earth, and now we have a camera that says here’s the person who did this,” Nanos said.

The sheriff still believes Guthrie was kidnapped as authorities are no closer to finding the missing woman after the search entered its third week on Sunday (February 15) and no clear motive has been determined.
 
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I may be wrong, but I got the impression that the glove they found with the dna in it matched the glove the perp was wearing, not that they had dna to compare it with.Just a match on the gloves maybe. Correct me if I am wrong. JMOO
Thank you
 
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Could they be keeping the suspect guessing? They have nothing nailed down about what they have.
 

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