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As I've had more time to think through this whole thing, I've increasingly become skeptical that all of the information we have is accurate. It's just hard to reconcile all of the "facts" we have been told with the truth of how this stuff works (in terms of timing, disconnects/reconnects, etc.). I'm not saying that it's impossible that everything is accurate, but I'm not very confident. Especially given how many other pieces of information we've been given that later turned out to be wrong, and how little confirmation we have of key data points. I hope that some day we have enough reliable information to all agree on the truth here, but we're far from that right now, IMO.
I couldn’t agree more. The timeline and initial reporting came too soon to have been the result of forensic work on the devices. I think it came from phone alerts and a poor understanding of tech. That isn’t a criticism. It was what they had at the time. (The wording around the pacemaker event is a prime example.)

The report of a camera disconnected could have been the misinterpretation of an alert on NG’s phone. We know there were multiple cameras and we don’t know how they were named. We can’t be sure that the doorbell camera disconnected; if it did, we don’t know how long it remained offline.

If Harvey Levin is correct about the times and if the Google narrative is real, that camera was connected at or after 2:12 am.
 
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I'll gladly eat my words if it comes to it, because I know as little concretely as the next person, but I just...don't think the ransom notes are from the actual perpetrator(s) OR anyone who knows them. The fact that they keep going to things like TMZ of all places versus directly to the family or even just less sensational media outlets is just weird and doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Was the news of NG's disappearance at least locally known before the first note came? I seem to recall that there was some days' worth of a gap. That, to me, just reeks of the notes being from opportunists. Plenty of other cases have seen scammers from many different corners -- sometimes local and sometimes not even from the same country -- swooping in to try to make a quick buck, or just to meddle with the investigation because they're terrible people (I think about how many families of missing children or endangered adults have said they got hoax tips from people who weren't even particularly angling for money, they just want attention and/or to torment a stranger -- and with this one being so high-profile, that's gotta be a big draw for a certain type of awful person.)

Time will tell, hopefully. I can't imagine the not knowing; it would be excruciating. I hate that for this family and the families of every person who's gone without explanation. And if these notes were all fake, I hope the senders are found and prosecuted to the fullest.
 
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I personally don’t think it is a dealer plate. In Arizona, the temporary license plate you get when you purchase a new car is a white piece of paper, I’ve added a photo of an example (I edited it to obscure the plate number).

As you can see, the brand of car is abbreviated on the top right corner of the temp. plate. In the photo of the Range Rover I can see either “DR” or “OR” at the top right of the plate, under the paper which I think would be the end of the abbreviation for Land Rover.

I can only think of seeing deep blue metal dealer plates here in Arizona (photo added as well).
PLEASE I AM BEGGING AND BEGGING AND BEGGING AND BEGGING. POST LINKS TO YOUR PICTURES.
 
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Sorry, I’m posting without listening to this, and not caught up. Can anybody point out the body armor he’s referring to?

I’m replying to myself here to bring up this tweet again where the former police lieutenant suggests the suspect was wearing body armor. I haven’t heard that mentioned anywhere else and I have a hard time seeing it. What do you all think? Just another guy giving his opinion?

Is it possible this appearance was more altered than we believe?
 
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All I got out of the video is they found dna and are trying to identify it and the LE are working very hard 24 7
Yeah, I just listened and agree. Forget unknown profile (as in no match to any existing players in the case). It's still being cross checked. Jmo
 
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It seems like by what BE read per the FBI is that they may have a partial match to some evidence they already have, concerning the gloves, and they are submitting the full profile to Codis to make it an official match.
Now that is just my personal take on it.
No, imo. All the click bait and poorly worded media articles are confusing people. They found gloves less than 2 miles from the home that MIGHT be the gloves worn by Lantana man (or someone else involved for all we know). This is the "match" that they made: the gloves look alike), no dna match has been reported. They sent the gloves for testing (in FL) and the testing revealed male dna. This dna will (after some confirmation/science stuff to be performed by FBI:) will be entered into the codis database.

They did separately report that unidentified dna was found in NG's home that didn't belong to any know family/workers/etc. The odd thing is I don't think they have mentioned the testing of the dna found in the home against the dna found on the gloves - which is interesting. are they not the same profile types or....? We also haven't heard if the unidentified NG house dna had a codis match. Maybe they don't have enough for a profile??? Did I miss this?
 
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An expert on genetic genealogy has said that DNA collected from Nancy Guthrie’s property will help law enforcement find the person responsible for the disappearance of the 84-year-old mother of Today show co-host Savannah Guthrie.

CeCe Moore, the chief genetic genealogist at Parabon Nanolabs, said investigators can use the DNA that was recovered in a process called Investigative Genetic Genealogy, or IGG. That involves uploading information to a genealogy database to look for possible relatives of the person whose DNA was found at the scene and thus, identify possible suspects.


2/16/2026
I know certain countries don't tend to do heritage DNA (Italy for example) so IF the perp was from Mexico (as an example as it is closeby to Tuscon) then I wonder if that country does much DNA?
 
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Interesting view on things on the case:

 
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PLEASE, I AM BEGGING AND BEGGING AND BEGGING AND BEGGING. POST LINKS TO YOUR PICTURES.
PLEASE, I AM BEGGING AND BEGGING AND BEGGING AND BEGGING. POST LINKS TO YOUR PICTURES.
PLEASE, I AM BEGGING AND BEGGING AND BEGGING AND BEGGING. POST LINKS TO YOUR PICTURES.
PLEASE, I AM BEGGING AND BEGGING AND BEGGING AND BEGGING. POST LINKS TO YOUR PICTURES
 
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PLEASE, I AM BEGGING AND BEGGING AND BEGGING AND BEGGING. POST LINKS TO YOUR PICTURES.
PLEASE, I AM BEGGING AND BEGGING AND BEGGING AND BEGGING. POST LINKS TO YOUR PICTURES.
PLEASE, I AM BEGGING AND BEGGING AND BEGGING AND BEGGING. POST LINKS TO YOUR PICTURES.
PLEASE, I AM BEGGING AND BEGGING AND BEGGING AND BEGGING. POST LINKS TO YOUR PICTURES
 
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PLEASE, I AM BEGGING AND BEGGING AND BEGGING AND BEGGING. POST LINKS TO YOUR PICTURES.
PLEASE, I AM BEGGING AND BEGGING AND BEGGING AND BEGGING. POST LINKS TO YOUR PICTURES.
PLEASE, I AM BEGGING AND BEGGING AND BEGGING AND BEGGING. POST LINKS TO YOUR PICTURES.
PLEASE, I AM BEGGING AND BEGGING AND BEGGING AND BEGGING. POST LINKS TO YOUR PICTURES
 
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I personally don’t think it is a dealer plate. In Arizona, the temporary license plate you get when you purchase a new car is a white piece of paper, I’ve added a photo of an example (I edited it to obscure the plate number).

As you can see, the brand of car is abbreviated on the top right corner of the temp. plate. In the photo of the Range Rover I can see either “DR” or “OR” at the top right of the plate, under the paper which I think would be the end of the abbreviation for Land Rover.

I can only think of seeing deep blue metal dealer plates here in Arizona (photo added as well).
I believe the link to the actual video that shows what appears to be a temporary paper plate that a previous poster failed to include is:


At approximately 1:13 of the video you can see the RR which appears to have a paper plate

image is magnified below:
 

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BECAUSE it is a celebrity based tabloid type outlet. This fits perfectly with my theory that the perp is a celebrity stalker who has a delusional relationship with SG. Secondly, stalker, I am sure, has never been answered or adequately responded to, for any communication he may have had with SG on an Instagram page or NBC fan page. SO, he went to a celebrity site to get attention. As a backup, he went to local news outs. He received the coverage he craved. Perfectly executed Publicity. IMO
Good point. JMO
 
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Amidst any panic and adrenaline, there might also have been the thought that a never-solved “missing person” case is a better chance of getting away with it than leaving someone, living or dead, and it being definitively known that it’s a murder, or at least serious bodily harm.

JMO
Absolutely.
 
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I didn't see a sliding glass door. I do see a large picture-type window with a sofa sitting under the ledge of the window. I was surprised because I always pictured sliding glass doors in the covered porch area.
I posted this yesterday but will do so again.

There is a set of sliding glass doors leading out to a small walled courtyard at the front corner of the house (opposite the garage). My bet is they lead into NG’s bedroom since there appears to also be a chimney to that room suggesting a fireplace there. See at 0:10 in this drone video:
 
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A go fund me was form by a man in Arizona to help raise funds for the Bitcoin. I think we all saw that coming. Since I don’t want to bring attention to it, please just Google the information to get the article and see the page.
Nuts-
1. He’d have to know the wallet.
2. He’d be interfering in the investigation!
 
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After HL had said about it being a crime if the person isn’t telling the truth and is hoaxing them, I wish he’d said “And if you are real, that’s also a crime - obstruction of justice” or misprision of felony, or whatever the Arizona statute calls that charge.

Even if their lawyer could argue that it’s not technically that, due to the fifth amendment and them having the right not to incriminate themselves, it could still be floated as a possibility by HL, as that should be for a court to decide, not the person concealing information, covering for criminals, and endangering an elderly woman, all for profit (from the hypothetical possibility that they’re telling the truth, I mean!)

JMO
Yes it may be a crime but I don't think reminding/threatening him with that is going to help get the information from him they want (if he is real).
 

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