• #31,961
Unless they are negotiating secretly behind the scenes, I don't think this feels at all like a kidnapping for ransom. You don't want someone for 3 weeks, especially an elderly person with health issues. This feels like a famous/rich person went missing and con artists are taking their shot at money. I don't think any actual communication from the individual in the video has occurred. My thought, terrible as it is, is that this is a serial offender and had nothing to do with who her family was. This feels like a bad situation and I feel what happened has already happened within a few hours of her being taken. I hope I'm wrong and someone returns her safely. But this just doesn't feel like a sophisticated kidnapping for money.
IMO, the people writing the ransom letters aren't necessary connected with the people who kidnapped NG. I also fear that NG may not have been alive when she was taken out of her house. I can't imagine the kidnappers being holed up with NG, JMO
 
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This is live, so I’m not sure how to timestamp.

Brian Entin stating he feels hopeful, not a cold case. Also mentions he’s been told they’ve started the ancestral dna process.

This is pretty interesting if anyone else wants to watch.

Mods, sorry for the lack of timestamp! I’ll come back and edit once the live is over.
 
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Notice the words SG used in the latest video. You are not lost. You are not alone. This is IMO, SG KNOWING the REAL profile that LE has developed. An, obsessed, scorned, socially awkward loner. Someone who has developed an entire fantasy life around SG being his secret lover. Someone who lives with his mommy, perhaps. Possibly, bookish or nerdy. He may have an altar of sorts, erected in his home. Photos, posters, tapes of SG speaking on TV. He could no longer tolerate being spurned. His daily ritual of watching the Today show was the thread that held him together. He HAD to act on his twisted impulses. The fact SG was out for several weeks for surgery made him become totally unhinged. He needed to do this kidnaping before she slipped through his fingers again and went to Milan to cover the Olympics. Delusional Stalker. jmo moo
I see those words differently and I personally interpret the body language of the suspect at the front door differently than awkward or loner. In fact I see the straight leg bend not as knee injury, but as confident. The thing I have trouble with is the gun placement.

I see SG possibly playing on a religious angle. Lost…from salvation. Alone..separate from God. As someone pointed out “NEXT” right thing is common in 12 step programs.


This fits a burglary gone wrong to me. Someone that has done better in the past, may have been religious and is an addict. Someone that has a chance to do one more right thing, the NEXT right thing.

To this person- you will be caught eventually, you can choose how you are caught and give this family the location of their mother.
 
  • #31,966
FYI, that's 3,175 feet barometric altitude, not absolute altitude.
Yes thanks, altitude is measured above sea level correct? According to google Catalina Foothills sit around 2,500 to 2,800 feet above sea level which means the helicopter was still 500+ feet above the ground. This is much higher than what they stated sniffer capabilities. IMO
 
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Not sure if LE found unidentified DNA on property or is saying this taunt the perpetrator with the hopes they'll make a mistake and do something that will help LE build a case against him (e.g. cell phone call etc)

If LE did find unidentified DNA on NG's property and it didn't match anyone in CODIS, LE could plug it into a genealogical website such as Gedmatch and figure out who this person is by looking at their close DNA matches. JMO

I'm sure that they must be doing that. It can be time consuming to reconstruct the families from the genealogical matches, especially if the matches are distant cousin matches. It's fascinating, though! Let's hope that he has relatives who have tested.
 
  • #31,968
I posted this yesterday but will do so again.

There is a set of sliding glass doors leading out to a small walled courtyard at the front corner of the house (opposite the garage). My bet is they lead into NG’s bedroom since there appears to also be a chimney to that room suggesting a fireplace there. See at 0:10 in this drone video:
Are those doors on the casita, which doesn't appear to be attached to the primary residence?
 
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I posted this last night. LE should potentially be able tie the glove to the Guthrie residence through plant DNA. The glove in question , if used by the perp, should be loaded with lantana plant DNA .

Sticky lantana... maybe that is why he tossed the gloves... the lantana was sticking his hand to encrypting everything. Maybe that's what made the roadside glove and the LR RR so interesting.

JMO
 
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I like finding out info like this but at the same time, I wonder if whoever did this is also finding out this same stuff
IMO we only find out information if LE wants us to know things. I think the knowledge made public is calculated to get the kidnapper's attention, raise their fear and increase the chances that the kidnapper may make a mistake that will help LE know who they are and get the evidence needed for an arrest and conviction. MOO
 
  • #31,971
I am not a genius and this seems like a logical strategy so I'm sure they are aleady doing this-but being that much of the suspect's clothing is being reported as being from Walmart, I would thing that would be a fairly easy find? If I worked at Walmart and someone bought a jacket, holster, skii mask, etc. I would remember that and connect it to Nancy. I wonder if Walmart has put out a mass email to their store managers? And if ordered online, can't Walmart search their orders? They could have purchased items separately, but still, this seems like a good way to find the him/her/them.
This is probably not an approved source, but the New York Post has reported that “Walmart has provided investigators with records of all purchases made of a black Ozark Trail Hiker backpack, which was the suspect was wearing in Nancy’s Nest camera footage. It is sold exclusively at Walmart.”

In the same article, The New York Post has found additional gloves near Nancy’s house, they have handed them in to the detectives working on the case. Weird that the investigators missed these gloves…

Savannah Guthrie missing mom live updates: Man seen tampering with Nancy Guthrie’s doorbell wore Walmart mask, sheriff says
 
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This is live, so I’m not sure how to timestamp.

Brian Entin stating he feels hopeful, not a cold case. Also mentions he’s been told they’ve started the ancestral dna process.

This is pretty interesting if anyone else wants to watch.

Mods, sorry for the lack of timestamp! I’ll come back and edit once the live is over.

If they’ve started the ancestral dna process I take that to mean no CODIS matches?
 
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Was thinking mother, too. Perhaps perp is getting increasingly nervous and scared, and somebody close to them may be starting to wonder if this perp could be their son, their son's friend, etc.
JMOO
I think the perp is mid 30's max..still living with his mother. Doesn't date. Has Formed delusional love connection with SG. May have a mother who is very enmeshed in his life. Someone who would never approve anyone he dated. Fantasy romance is the only way he can have a love connection! Think about it. People are now having romances with the bots on AI. He is fixated on SG. Takes the mom. Makes SG notice him. JMO
 
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I posted this yesterday but will do so again.

There is a set of sliding glass doors leading out to a small walled courtyard at the front corner of the house (opposite the garage). My bet is they lead into NG’s bedroom since there appears to also be a chimney to that room suggesting a fireplace there. See at 0:10 in this drone video:
I've searched Google images for aerial views. Yes, I see the courtyard you are referring to, which is facing the street. What I posted was a closeup of the porch with the overhang in the back.
 
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This is live, so I’m not sure how to timestamp.

Brian Entin stating he feels hopeful, not a cold case. Also mentions he’s been told they’ve started the ancestral dna process.

This is pretty interesting if anyone else wants to watch.

Mods, sorry for the lack of timestamp! I’ll come back and edit once the live is over.
Poss. @ 13:00?

CeCe Moore - Genetic Genealogist

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New DNA in Nancy Guthrie investigation - Savannah Guthrie asks abductor to “do the right thing”

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New DNA in Nancy Guthrie investigation - Savannah Guthrie asks abductor to “do the right thing”
 
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Just noting that I find it interesting the last couple of videos have been SG alone, when we'd seen the siblings all together for a couple of videos.

They've been SG only after that search at AG's last weekend

Jmo
That is very astute. Not even the brother has posted anything since then. I wonder if they are just too distraught, or if that suggests something else is happening.
 
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The sheriff said that unidentified DNA was found on NG's "property," but he wouldn't say if it was found in the home or outside the home. In the following linked article, he is quoted as saying that the unknown DNA found on the property was not a CoDIS match.


Authorities in Arizona have found DNA belonging to someone other than Nancy Guthrie or those in close contact with her on her property.

Sheriff Chris Nanos of Pima County, Arizona, confirmed this to NewsNation during a Friday evening appearance on “Elizabeth Vargas Reports.”

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The sheriff said the DNA was collected from the crime scene the morning investigators processed Nancy Guthrie’s home but declined to specify whether it was found inside or outside the house. The DNA has not matched anyone in CODIS, the national database for people convicted of crimes.
That’s interesting and they would know how relevant and what type of dna was submitted. This dna is not the glove, correct? We are still waiting on those CoDIS results, correct?
 
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The president said the abductors would face “very, very severe — the most severe” federal consequences if Nancy Guthrie is found dead after being abducted from her home outside Tucson on Feb. 1.

Asked if that meant the DOJ would request the death penalty, Trump answered: “The most, yeah — that’s true.”

I just hope all of this information doesn't increase the flight risk.
 
  • #31,979
I personally don’t think it is a dealer plate. In Arizona, the temporary license plate you get when you purchase a new car is a white piece of paper, I’ve added a photo of an example (I edited it to obscure the plate number).

As you can see, the brand of car is abbreviated on the top right corner of the temp. plate. In the photo of the Range Rover I can see either “DR” or “OR” at the top right of the plate, under the paper which I think would be the end of the abbreviation for Land Rover.

I can only think of seeing deep blue metal dealer plates here in Arizona (photo added as well).

Edited to add links, sorry @tricia 😊!
Link for example of temp plate: Print
(My photo shows real world example but I don’t want to dox the real license plate number, I can change out the photo if needed)
Link for dealer plate: Motor Vehicle Dealer License Application Process and Account Set Up | Department of Transportation

Thank you for including the pictures as examples. It’s getting so frustrating that so many people aren’t including proof with pictures or links to back up their opinions.
MOO (My opinion only)

Edit: Typo
 
  • #31,980
Sticky lantana... maybe that is why he tossed the gloves... the lantana was sticking his hand to encrypting everything. Maybe that's what made the roadside glove and the LR RR so interesting.

JMO
Excellent thought. Lantana can have a sticky residue and if his gloves were sticky, he may have thought that he was far enough away from NG's house to throw them out the car window. JMO
 

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