AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[justwannahelp]

Lord. It looks almost as if the sheriff is stalling the investigation. It's like referees in college basketball. Is it corruption or just incompetence? There's no way for us to know for sure.

Does he not trust the FBI? Not necessarily the boots on the ground guys, but the higher ups? Don’t want to start political drama - don’t want to argue whether he should or shouldn’t - but it definitely could be a WHY he chose an independent lab in Florida. There’s been a lot of alleged scandal involving the FBI lately. Some say conspiracy. Some believe. Maybe he’s in the believe camp?

Again no politics please. Just tossing around possible explanations for the decision he made.

 

[Diddian]

I wouldn't be surprised if one of the culprits is in Nancy's extended circle. Like maybe the child of a housekeeper or landscaper, or someone on the periphery of her family. Perhaps SG's most recent appeal was geared more toward the housekeeper or landscaper than the actual perpetrators. Because by now the people close to the culprits must have noticed some changes and started putting things together.
Also, the person who suggested Lantana Man may have used the plant to increase his grip? So smart! And possibly quite telling. Not everyone would know that about lantanas.
MOO

Lantana Man was adaptive, that's for sure. I hope the use of the Lantana helps in the conviction of him. I remember that Megyn Kelly's podcast shortly after the video of Lantana Man was released pointed out that in one "still" from the video after the use of the Lantana, it appears that Lantana Man may have torn a hole in the index finger of his glove. If true, I hope it was the glove that LE found on the roadside.

Brings to mind a quote from Steinbeck's novel, "The Moon is Down:"

"The flies have conquered the flypaper."

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

Apparently you don’t need a direct hit in CODIS you can get markers close to the dna of somebody who’s dna is in CODIS.

I wonder if it’s the same thing for the interpol database. Does anybody know?

Imo

 

[Chypre]

Or, that FBI experts on kidnapping and hostage negotiation told SG exactly what to say to get the best response from the kidnapper. Saying "just do the next right thing" to the perpetrator might give them confidence that SG believes in their goodness, that this was all a terrible mistake and he really is a good guy who usually does the right thing.

SG is appealing to his goodness and his desire to do good things and to continue to do good things.

I think SG's language could possibly make a positive difference with the kidnapper. She's making a good case for why he would return her mother. JMO

I completely agree.
My response was to a post I read. I understood the post to mean that the phrase meant the person had already done one right thing, in order to do the next right thing (as in this would be good news if SG said the phrase).

 

[Andreee]

sheriff has just issued a statement CLEARING ALL FAMILY

Does anyone know why they would choose to send the glove to a private lab instead of directly through the FBI? Is that standard in some cases? I’m just trying to understand the reasoning.

It was the sheriff's doing, from what I've read. IMO. He had a whole explanation about it.

 

[iamthewalrus]

IIRC, AB stated in her podcast that, according to her impeccable source, the person in question "is a prime suspect," and then she quickly corrected herself to say "may be a prime suspect." But at the same time, you had awareness that NG's family members were the last known people to see NG and to get her home before she disappeared, LE kept making return visits to that neighborhood to conduct searches and were reportedly asking neighbors questions about how well they knew/what they knew about NG's relatives there, and LE was seen conducting additional investigative work inside that family's home (and garage, IIRC). And the sheriff was emphasizing that no one was cleared (even as he in the past couple of days emphasized that all family has been cooperative). That is, while I think it was hard to "unhear" what AB stated, it seemed at least potentially supported by LE's actions and definitely not at odds with LE actions.

the band could be involved. Maybe doing the dirty work for a "friend" Could be MOO

 

[Tugb0ats]

It was the sheriff's doing.

Oh ok but still what’s the reason?

 

[fridaybaker]

His priorities, off duty, could have been trying to breathe after his brother’s very recent death.

He’s not a savvy public speaker and I can understand some public frustration with him. I don’t however understand the sentiment that it should be open season on him. I don’t believe he deserves that. IMO

I don’t know that “open season” is an accurate characterization of what is going on. There are several experts, the head of Othram being one of them, who can’t understand the decision to send the glove to a private lab rather than Quantico. Apparently, this does delay things, as Quantico has the ability to analyze DNA without “using it up”, and then it can immediately be fed into CODIS, neither of which is possible at the lab in Florida, as qualified and professional as it is.

There are many, many other aspects of the sheriff and his public statements that cause concern. I can’t think how describing the process of solving this crime as possibly taking “years” is helpful in any way, shape, or form, despite the possibility that, of course, like ANY crime, it may never be solved. Really, whose side is he on?

He seems to be angry that folks have been scrutinizing the family, despite LE spending much time….scrutinizing the family. First “no one is cleared”, then “why can’t everyone leave the family alone as they are cleared?” Really, the public is shocked that an 84 year old woman is still missing and possibly in terrible distress, likely both physically and mentally. We are scrutinizing EVERYTHING.

I understand that he is in the throes of personal heartache, and I am generally supportive of LE, but forgive me: He signed up for this. He signed up for what one should expect to be, at times, a tireless job that may, at any given point in time, require one to put aside their personal life and work 24/7, day in and day out. To put aside petty politics and egos, to work with those who you normally like to compete with (FBI) so that a family can get their loved one home, alive and well.

This is a highly sought-after, highly visible, high-level, position which one runs for in an election. One should be prepared to be held to account at a very high level; to be able to effectively interact with the public, the media, and other agencies, such as the FBI, in a way that elicits confidence.

Sheriff Nanos asked for this position. He ran for it. He cannot now shrink from the hard work and scrutiny that comes with it, no matter what hardship accompanies it.
MOO.

 

[lilyk]

Yeah. It's not widely know. I only studied it because im in a PhD program for cybersecurity.

Please consider getting verified here when you've completed it, your professional insight would be most welcomed.

 

[moonglow123]

Does anyone know why they would choose to send the glove to a private lab instead of directly through the FBI? Is that standard in some cases? I’m just trying to understand the reasoning.

Arizona sheriff in Nancy Guthrie search defends sending DNA to Florida lab

Nanos says he's been using the same lab for years and didn't want to deviate from it. Also claims the FBI agreed with him. IDK. Does feel like the investigation has been a little fragmented but I hope they're getting closer.

 

[Diddian]

So the sheriff was working on the Nancy Guthrie/Savannah Guthrie case… arguably the biggest case of his career! Then his own brother dies, then he went to a division 1 basketball game sitting in the front row all within days of each other? Hmm , I’m wondering where his priorities lie ? I’m asking for a friend

I'm guessing he got very good at compartmentalization for his job. That can be a good thing and a bad thing.

 

[justwannahelp]

Former CIA member and FBI special agent Tracy Walder tells Page Six of the methods used to clear the family, “Authorities have been able to alibi all of them and account for their whereabouts on that evening.

“They look at their cell phone data and figure out if it matches up to where they were. They also use license plate scanners to see if they’re driving at the time and if they’re caught on cameras.”

Exclusive | How cops ruled out Nancy Guthrie’s family in her disappearance — even without a suspect: experts

Authorities can “confidently” rule out Nancy’s family in the mysterious disappearance, according to an expert.

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I’m not saying they are or aren’t involved. But their being home doesn’t mean they aren’t involved in some way shape or form. But i get it, if cleared they’re cleared.

 

[wibbleflea]

I think she wanted to be the first to break the story, maybe believing that he was responsible and was going to be charged.

The “impeccable” LE source, whom AB had known for a decade, is the oddity here. If you supply details of a live, high-profile case to AB, you know exactly what’s going to happen.

 

[Arkay]

i disagree with all the respect i have. AB did something very very foolish in the name of being the first to break the hot story — that’s no better than some of the more salacious tabloids we come across. journalism in these spaces have got to do better. these are real people going through the worst time of their lives.

not attacking you or op, just my opinion

Same, same, same.

Also with respect for everyone’s opinions, absolutely, but I think what AB did was not investigative journalism. It was, I completely agree, the race to be first to have a “scoop.”

Before the internet and podcasts, a respectable journalist would typically not print anything, unless they had usually two sources and evidence to confirm.

Whatever supposed source told AB that TC was the “prime suspect,” stating that as factual, could never have been correct.

There clearly was NO evidence behind this assertion, as we all now know. Therefore AB’s source was operating on suspicion and/or rumor, not facts.

Journalists used to operate under the auspices of a newspaper or magazine, with editors who oversaw what made it into print.

Now with podcasts, there are people who are solo, without oversight.

IMO this was simply to drive traffic and clicks.

We ALL know that there have been grieving and heartbroken family members who turned out to be the culprit. But that is discovered with evidence, like Murdaugh.

There was never evidence here. This grieving and heartbroken family is just a grieving and heartbroken family. AG is Nancy’s child as equally as Savannah and Camron, and IMO this was a lousy thing to do to all of them.

I love Brian Entin. In my opinion he truly investigates. He’s on-scene most of the time and he inquires of LE and witnesses, not some anonymous source.

I wish he would detach himself from Banfield, but that’s not my business.

All just my opinion.

 

[NachoCheesier]

Any lab that does top level testing has a QA program where test parameters, equipment calubration, sample inputs, and results are peer reviewed by another knowledgeable individual. And the turnaround time for this lab in Florida is honestly very very fast. Everyone here wants the Guthrie family to have closure and justice. But these protocols exist for a reason.

 

[clearskies1]

i agree. Not complaining at all I want to see this solved. But I do wonder if it's because of how heinous this was. Clearly a planned abduction. I know the guy they got on video seemed amateur, but I do wonder if he had one job which was to look for a camera and remove it. And clearly they're not amateurs because a million fbi agents are investigating and have not been successful yet.

Savannah looked rough yesterday. This whole thing is so damn sad I cannot even fathom if this was my mother. I think I'd be catatonic. I truly think that is also why so much is going into this and the whole world is caring about it. Not out of morbid curiosity but because we truly want justice and answers for the poor family. I cannot imagine if it goes unsolved… how does the family survive? I know even if it does get solved it is still horrible but having no closure would be truly unimaginable.

Agree. I don't think as many LE resources would have gone into this without the SG connection, but I also think the crime would not have been committed in the first place without the SG connection. I just think some things came together -- SG is a well known, well paid "local hero" of sorts and her mother lives alone in a basically unprotected house. So for a Tucson area person who is down on his luck, this would be a target. JMO.

 

[Andreee]

Oh ok but still what’s the reaso

Oh ok but still what’s the reason?

Here is his version in this article: Sheriff Refutes Claims FBI Is Blocked From Accessing Key Evidence in Search for Savannah Guthrie's Mom

 

[Van Helsing]

Does he not trust the FBI? Not necessarily the boots on the ground guys, but the higher ups? Don’t want to start political drama - don’t want to argue whether he should or shouldn’t - but it definitely could be a WHY he chose an independent lab in Florida. There’s been a lot of alleged scandal involving the FBI lately. Some say conspiracy. Some believe. Maybe he’s in the believe camp?

Again no politics please. Just tossing around possible explanations for the decision he made.

Good points. It would benefit the FBI to have good partnership with local LE to preclude wild accusations when this is resolved.

 

[Andreee]

dbm repeated

 

[BellaToothless]

Yes, and it wouldn't be the first time they've done that ?

Was also considering an employee or a friend of one.
Still think it might have been someone Nancy knew by sight at least and they knew she saw them (botched robbery, maybe, but am still leaning towards planned abduction); so they took her !
A crime with a personal element.
How sickening -- and frightening for her !

There are some crimes that deserve the harshest penalties possible, and imo, kidnapping ranks right along with outright murder.

A survivor of an abduction might never be the same and at Nancy's age could cause her health to severely decline, even if released.
Still hoping she's alive !
Omo.

I still go back to that report discussed earlier in thread that an anonymous LE inside the investigation said the indoor cameras set up and pointing solely for safety/fall purposes were smashed before any of them could detect motio and stream. If it’s true it would have to be someone or associated with someone who had access throughout inside of NGs home. House cleaner, physical or occupational therapist etc. or distant family member. IMO

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