AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[shonyakay]

Agree. She had a source that she trusted who gave her the information she reported. Everybody was still a suspect at that time, and also at that time, LE was conducting searches in the property near that family member as well as in that family member's house. It's plausible that she was given correct information at that moment but then things changed somewhat rapidly.

It's got to be hard to be a media person who has to make decisions in the moment as to what is true and to be trusted, and what needs much more investigation before reporting on it.

JMO

The problem isn't that AB 's source told her this, or that they may have believed it, or that she may have believed it.

The problem is that she shared it publicly with her over 300,000 YT subscribers at a time when the investigation was in it's early stages.

I think she wanted to be the first to break the story, maybe believing that he was responsible and was going to be charged.

What's more important - the integrity of an investigation or being first for clout?

 

[maamager]

If she rushed to run the story in order to be the first to break the hot story and didn't do due-diligence with cross-checking what she heard from a trusted source, that is problematic.

snipped for brevity. i actually agree with you, but where we differ (imo) is that i fully believe AB didn’t have to / shouldn’t have posted that video. she chose to, as a veteran journalist, who is well aware of how pertinent and personal these cases unfold. she did it ( in my opinion) so she could be the first before anyone else. IDK her source, could be trusted, but boy does it look like that source really did her dirty

 

[Diddian]

I don't know a case where this same thing doesn't happen to the people closest to the victim. Yes, it sucks. But if I am a family member of a crime victim such as this - do what you have to do to clear me and get me out of the way - so you can move on to the real perps. The Sheriff added fuel to the fire by continuously saying they were NOT cleared until just hours ago., so no that did not help. IMO.

I don't recall AB calling him "guilty," but I may have missed it. I thought she was relaying what her "source" told her. (Not that I agreed with that either) But I never heard her come out and say he was guilty.

MOO>

IIRC, AB stated in her podcast that, according to her impeccable source, the person in question "is a prime suspect," and then she quickly corrected herself to say "may be a prime suspect." But at the same time, you had awareness that NG's family members were the last known people to see NG and to get her home before she disappeared, LE kept making return visits to that neighborhood to conduct searches and were reportedly asking neighbors questions about how well they knew/what they knew about NG's relatives there, and LE was seen conducting additional investigative work inside that family's home (and garage, IIRC). And the sheriff was emphasizing that no one was cleared (even as he in the past couple of days emphasized that all family has been cooperative). That is, while I think it was hard to "unhear" what AB stated, it seemed at least potentially supported by LE's actions and definitely not at odds with LE actions.

 

[cherryleaf]

The pacemaker sniffer is so advanced that I've seen several experts not know what it is.

Yes! Also I was also shocked at the video that was retrieved from backend systems. I’m not saying either are necessarily a bad thing as it’s proven to be somewhat helpful in this case,..but I really didn’t know these things even existed until now. Makes me wonder what else the Gov. has that we don’t know about. They’ve shown their hand to the public in this case to a degree imo. The technology is a good thing, yes, but kinda scary too. I feel like this has been done before, it’s just the first time the public got confirmation of it being done.

 

[MagicalMysteryTour]

Many sexual assault perpetrators target vulnerable individuals, with age as a more secondary factor (GSK had a large age range of victims)

In addition, there have been serial sexual assault perpetrators in the past that have exhibited gerontophilia, a paraphilia wherein a person is sexually or romantically attracted to an older partner usually 70+ years. For this time of sexual assault perpetrator, an elderly person is their preferred target.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

Federal holiday tho, maybe.

Good point. Although a private lab may have been open today.

Interestingly enough, FBI and LE have been swabbing people, including the Friday night people who were temporarily detained, and they may already have the DNA of the person who wore and then discarded the gloves.

Since we're eager to have FBI and LE have these DNA results and LE keeps updating information about these results, I imagine the perpetrators are feeling very stressed right now. JMO

 

[Bluewing3102]

Yes! Also I was also shocked at the video that was retrieved from backend systems. I’m not saying either are necessarily a bad thing as it’s proven to be somewhat helpful in this case,..but I really didn’t know these things even existed until now. Makes me wonder what else the Gov. has that we don’t know about. They’ve shown their hand to the public in this case to a degree imo. The technology is a good thing, yes, but kinda scary too. I feel like this has been done before, it’s just the first time the public got confirmation of it being done.

This wasn't gov technology. It was google a.k.a private sector. FBI most likely needed to serve a warrant to Google in order for engineers to be able to retrieve footage from backend. When you buy products or download apps you give up certain data privileges to these companies. Hence the terms & agreements. Data x Privacy is a MAJORRRR ethical dilemma in the tech world right now.

 

[cathathorse]

I still don't understand why DNA testing from a roadside glove is eliciting regular updates to the public.

It's weird, especially when they haven't given detailed updates about any of the other DNA. And I also don't really understand the hold up-- do they have to send the actual sample back and have the FBI re-test it? That would seem unlikely. It seems like the genomic sequence would be in a file format that could be uploaded to a portal that Arizona or the sheriff's office uses and then downloaded and sent to the FBI. There is a whole field of bioinformatics that does this...

 

[justwannahelp]

I'm not sure if there's been any discussion of the suspect's shoes. I went through the footage and grabbed a few screenshots. A couple of things stood out to me:

1. No visible laces
2. Flat heel/ molded platform sole
3. Traditional-style moc toe construction
4. Contrasting outsole, likely rubber
5. Toe spring (or bumper)
6. Non-leather material. Probably canvas or mesh.

I don't know how helpful it is, but the closest match I could find was the Carhartt Men's Haslett Moc Toe Boot in black canvas..

(FWIW, I used to sell shoes)
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Since you sold shoes, you know they don’t sell Carhartt at Walmart. So this part of his “outfit” if Carhartt is not from Walmart

 

[wibbleflea]

There was unknown male DNA found at NG’s house, though we haven’t heard much about it since the sheriff’s announcement and he wouldn’t say where it was found. And if the Range Rover yields something, that would be significant. So it’s not just the glove.

 

[Moonchime]

DBM.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

The problem isn't that AB 's source told her this, or that they may have believed it, or that she may have believed it.

The problem is that she shared it publicly with her over 300,000 YT subscribers at a time when the investigation was in it's early stages.

I think she wanted to be the first to break the story, maybe believing that he was responsible and was going to be charged.

What's more important - the integrity of an investigation or being first for clout?

Well-said.

 

[Tugb0ats]

NEW: "Unnecessary delays" in getting DNA from glove in Nancy Guthrie case into FBI database --

The decision to send the glove with DNA to a private lab in Florida is causing what one source familiar with the case calls “unnecessary delays” in getting the DNA entered into the FBI’s CODIS database.

That’s because the FBI does not accept DNA submissions directly from private labs. Instead, once testing is complete in Florida, it’s likely the DNA data extracted must first be sent back to the state system in Arizona where it can be uploaded and becomes shareable with the FBI for entry into CODIS.

That extra step adds time creating what the source describes as a “catch-up” process when the FBI could have processed and entered the data within a day, according to the source.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023570698019479692

Does anyone know why they would choose to send the glove to a private lab instead of directly through the FBI? Is that standard in some cases? I’m just trying to understand the reasoning.

 

[justwannahelp]

Lord. It looks almost as if the sheriff is stalling the investigation. It's like referees in college basketball. Is it corruption or just incompetence? There's no way for us to know for sure.

Does he not trust the FBI? Not necessarily the boots on the ground guys, but the higher ups? Don’t want to start political drama - don’t want to argue whether he should or shouldn’t - but it definitely could be a WHY he chose an independent lab in Florida. There’s been a lot of alleged scandal involving the FBI lately. Some say conspiracy. Some believe. Maybe he’s in the believe camp?

Again no politics please. Just tossing around possible explanations for the decision he made.

 

[Diddian]

I wouldn't be surprised if one of the culprits is in Nancy's extended circle. Like maybe the child of a housekeeper or landscaper, or someone on the periphery of her family. Perhaps SG's most recent appeal was geared more toward the housekeeper or landscaper than the actual perpetrators. Because by now the people close to the culprits must have noticed some changes and started putting things together.
Also, the person who suggested Lantana Man may have used the plant to increase his grip? So smart! And possibly quite telling. Not everyone would know that about lantanas.
MOO

Lantana Man was adaptive, that's for sure. I hope the use of the Lantana helps in the conviction of him. I remember that Megyn Kelly's podcast shortly after the video of Lantana Man was released pointed out that in one "still" from the video after the use of the Lantana, it appears that Lantana Man may have torn a hole in the index finger of his glove. If true, I hope it was the glove that LE found on the roadside.

Brings to mind a quote from Steinbeck's novel, "The Moon is Down:"

"The flies have conquered the flypaper."

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

Apparently you don’t need a direct hit in CODIS you can get markers close to the dna of somebody who’s dna is in CODIS.

I wonder if it’s the same thing for the interpol database. Does anybody know?

Imo

 

[Chypre]

Or, that FBI experts on kidnapping and hostage negotiation told SG exactly what to say to get the best response from the kidnapper. Saying "just do the next right thing" to the perpetrator might give them confidence that SG believes in their goodness, that this was all a terrible mistake and he really is a good guy who usually does the right thing.

SG is appealing to his goodness and his desire to do good things and to continue to do good things.

I think SG's language could possibly make a positive difference with the kidnapper. She's making a good case for why he would return her mother. JMO

I completely agree.
My response was to a post I read. I understood the post to mean that the phrase meant the person had already done one right thing, in order to do the next right thing (as in this would be good news if SG said the phrase).

 

[Andreee]

sheriff has just issued a statement CLEARING ALL FAMILY

Does anyone know why they would choose to send the glove to a private lab instead of directly through the FBI? Is that standard in some cases? I’m just trying to understand the reasoning.

It was the sheriff's doing, from what I've read. IMO. He had a whole explanation about it.

 

[iamthewalrus]

IIRC, AB stated in her podcast that, according to her impeccable source, the person in question "is a prime suspect," and then she quickly corrected herself to say "may be a prime suspect." But at the same time, you had awareness that NG's family members were the last known people to see NG and to get her home before she disappeared, LE kept making return visits to that neighborhood to conduct searches and were reportedly asking neighbors questions about how well they knew/what they knew about NG's relatives there, and LE was seen conducting additional investigative work inside that family's home (and garage, IIRC). And the sheriff was emphasizing that no one was cleared (even as he in the past couple of days emphasized that all family has been cooperative). That is, while I think it was hard to "unhear" what AB stated, it seemed at least potentially supported by LE's actions and definitely not at odds with LE actions.

the band could be involved. Maybe doing the dirty work for a "friend" Could be MOO

 

[Tugb0ats]

It was the sheriff's doing.

Oh ok but still what’s the reason?